Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mission: Impossible guest stars (A–M)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

List of Mission: Impossible guest stars (A–M)

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Orphaned WP:Listcruft article. Only links to this article come from Template:MissionImpossible.  Sottolacqua  (talk) 13:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related page for deletion:

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   Sottolacqua  (talk) 13:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:07, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Definitely keep the A-M guest stars, but delete the N-Z stars as less notable; generally, on shows where guest stars are introduced in alphabetical order, they are mentioned far down the list... Mandsford 01:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait wha? You have to be being sarcastic here. Oh my... wow... lol well played. :D  S ven M anguard   Wha?  06:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Standard television list that acts as a navigation device, there are no or few redlinks so qualifies under WP:List. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Beyond a WP:VAGUEWAVE, I see no deletion rationale. I've actually never seen the show, but from what I understand of it, its format of a different mission every episode made the guest stars a rather integral part of the show.  I'm also struck by the fact that there's not a single redlinked (or unlinked) name; every one of these guest stars merits their own article.  So these are lists of notable actors who guest starred on a notable television show.  Is there's a good reason as to why these lists aren't a relevant part of the encyclopedic coverage of this show?  postdlf (talk) 14:56, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete both per WP:NOTADIR. This is what IMDB is for, not WP. Wasted Time R (talk) 17:34, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * This debate seems to have taken a strange course. The closest thing to a guideline for stand-alone lists seems to be: has the topic (in this case either Mission: Impossible guest stars or the list itself) been covered in reliable sources? If it does, the current article certainly doesn't show it. Alzarian16 (talk) 21:00, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Mission: Impossible is the parent topic, which is notable. Each of the actors listed as a guest star is notable.  The only remaining question is whether listing the guest stars provides relevant and useful information in furtherance of the parent topic.  I can't find much to go on from online searches, given that the one (?) book wholly dedicated to the show is not searchable, but I think the significance of the guest stars is easily deducible from the format of the show and the fact that there are so many bluelink actors who guest starred.  The repeated mentions of the guest stars in this amazon.com editorial review of a DVD set are also persuasive.  I personally wouldn't require any special pleading, however, to justify a list of notable guest stars for any notable dramatic TV show.  There's no reason it shouldn't be a standard part of coverage, like episode lists.  So keep.  postdlf (talk) 22:24, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Listcruft is an essay. None of its recommendations, other than the omnipresent (fundamental, but a no brainer) WP:N, are even to be found in the only WP rule AfD should be using: WP:DEL, specifically WP:DEL.
 * However, for the sake of argument, it does have some examples. "List of University of Chicago people and List of Oz books" are acceptable, "In both cases, the lists correspond closely to encyclopedia articles—University of Chicago and L. Frank Baum, respectively—and in both cases the length and detail of the list justify breaking them out." and "List of small-bust models and performers, List of songs that contain the laughter of children, and List of nasal singers should be considered highly questionable because there are no articles on those topics."
 * Ask yourself, does Mission Impossible have an article? I am taking bets at 20 to 1.
 * As for NOTADIR, "there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic"
 * Can you shoot a scene without actors? Andy Warhol could, and would, but he's dead. I think we can all agree that the scenes are better for the inclusion of actors, even guest ones.
 * Anarchangel (talk) 13:51, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.