Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Monarchs of Great Britain since 1066


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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 18:02, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

List of Monarchs of Great Britain since 1066

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Contested PROD. Already extensively covered at List of English monarchs and List of British monarchs, which properly make the distinction between English and British monarchs, which this article fails to do. "Great Britain since 1066" is a misnomer, since Great Britain did not exist until 1707. Υπογράφω (talk) 20:57, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


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 * Keep I object to this deletion as there is no page on Wikipedia that list the Kings and Queens after the Battle of Hastings. There is a list of British Monarchs and English monarchs, but no page which chronicles the Monarchs from 1066 to the present day. I agree that the article may need to be renamed. I also anticipate expanding this article. Chocolatebareater (talk) 21:19, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * — Note to closing admin: Chocolatebareater (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.


 * Delete per WP:REDUNDANTFORK Meters (talk) 21:33, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete List of English monarchs includes an entire section on the monarchs of House of Normandy beginning with William the Conqueror in 1066 and all the later monarchs. Any standalone articles presenting a subset of this list would be redundant. De728631 (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * But it only goes up to 1717. Also, it doesn't include a table showing how long each Monarch spent on the throne.Chocolatebareater (talk) 10:13, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * For post 1707, there is List of British monarchs. ValarianB (talk) 16:11, 23 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Beyond the fact that it's redundant, Great Britain didn't exist until hundreds of years after 1066. This list is imaginary, at best. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 22:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Great Britain, also known as Britain, is a large island in the north Atlantic Ocean off the northwest coast of continental Europe. Υπογράφω and Chris Troutman are claiming that a large island populated by millions of people and a thriving culture suddenly appeared in the Atlantic Ocean in 1707. This is not in any history books as far as I am aware. Please provide sources for this claim. Jack N. Stock (talk) 22:22, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * As the articles in question deal with monarchs, we are clearly referring to the Kingdom of Great Britain, the political entity which came into existence in 1707, rather than the geographical entity. Υπογράφω (talk) 22:26, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The only kingdom I recall reading about that was located in the British Isles in 1066 was the Kingdom of England and nobody called it England then it was the Kingdom of Wessex. What about all those other people across the island of Great Britain? Did William the Bastard claim to be their king, too? To quote Monty Python, "strange women, lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 22:53, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * There was also a Kingdom of Scotland during the period in question. Also, British Isles is not synonymous with Great Britain. Taking the title to refer to Great Britain (not the Kingdom of England, Kingdom of Great Britain, United Kingdom or any other political construct), the article should be expanded to included Scottish monarchs in the period following the Norman conquest. A chronological list of all monarchs in Great Britain, including monarchs of Scotland and monarchs of England in parallel at least until the Union of the Crowns, could be useful. [User:Jacknstock|Jack N. Stock]] (talk) 23:09, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete as a content fork and per Chris' arguments. There was no sovereign of Great Britain until 1707, so in addition to being a content fork, the title is just plain misleading. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:32, 23 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete: content fork, and deeply flawed and misleading title, per Chris Troutman, etc. All the best, The Bounder (talk) 06:58, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree the title needs changing, but the list in its entirety can not be found anywhere else on Wikipedia. Also, no other page has a table outlining how long each monarch spent on the throne. Chocolatebareater (talk) 10:14, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is: List of monarchs in Britain by length of reign. DrKay (talk) 17:16, 23 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - while 1066 is special, a list with that starting point does not improve the very good existing articles. A table showing how long monarch's reigned might be useful, but I'm not sure, but that coule be included on the other lists and that discussion can continue on the talk pages of the other lists. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:25, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It can't because there isn't another page with this information on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chocolatebareater (talk • contribs) 6:55, January 23, 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Copies content already in existence, except for the length of reign, though in this article it is measures in days, which is strange and unhelpful. If there's interest in a reign length, perhaps suggest a column be added (in years) to the existing articles. ValarianB (talk) 16:11, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redundant fork. DrKay (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:REDUNDANTFORK as we have a much more comprehensive article covering the same topic. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:59, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

It seems that one of the main reasons for editors suggesting the article should be deleted is due to the title. Has anyone got any suggestions of a more appropriate title? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chocolatebareater (talk • contribs)
 * The list has no value. We already have lists at the appropriate titles for the appropriate subjects. This is redundant to those lists and chooses an arbitrary subject which is ahistorical. You would do better to contribute to what already exists than attempt new articles. New articles are not the sole objective of Wikipedia. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:05, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The poor title is not the issue. If it were just that it could be fixed. Don't waste your time trying to come up with a better title because that won't change the fact that this is a redundant fork of an existing article. We already cover all of the information that is in your list and we don't need another list about it. Meters (talk) 18:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you've looked at changes made to the article but it now has information about length of the reigns of individual monarchs and houses, and I intend to extend this further. The information does not all exist on one place which is why I created the article. Chocolatebareater (talk) 21:18, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * We don't fork an article just to add a bit of information. We add the information to the existing article. We have the information on reign length in List of monarchs in Britain by length of reign. If we want it in the other lists we can add it to them. We don't need yet another list. Meters (talk) 00:08, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete -- I had wondered whether to say merge, but am not sure of the usefulness of the regnal lengths data. Whether the England/GB split should be at 1707 rather than 1603 is questionable, as the union of the Parliaments only changed the royal title of Queen Anne, not her role.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:54, 29 January 2017 (UTC)


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