Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Monster Allergy characters (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was k e ep. east. 718 at 02:48, December 22, 2007

List of Monster Allergy characters
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A plot summary/list of characters for an otherwise notable comic/TV show. Fails into WP:NOT as an unsourceable plot summary. Links to possible notability in the first AfD are (after translation) about the series rather than the characters. The entire article appears unsourceable to reliable sources. Should be deleted then recreated as a redirect only to Monster Allergy. Not proposing a merger as all of the detail in the article that is referenceable is already covered in the plot section of the main article. Fails Notability (fiction) - Peripitus (Talk) 06:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge but I admit my bias for allowing a main character list for any fictional work, independent of established notability. I simply don't like the alternatives to have an article for each character, or to have no information on the characters at all. – sgeureka t•c 13:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Understandably. However lists of these type, unless the series is as widespread as as the simpsons, don't often have reliable sources and this one does not. Simply, the world seems uninterested in writing about Elena Potato and others, so the article is a mostly original research plot summary - clearly what wikipedia is not - Peripitus (Talk) 20:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions.   —Quasirandom (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: Per WP:WAF, a work of fiction is a valid primary source for its plot and characters; thus, chracter information is never unsourceable. (Notability information, of course, requires secondary sources.) —Quasirandom (talk) 16:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Does not fail WP:FICT, which states that lists like this can exist as sub-articles to the main article, in part of a series broken up per WP:SS. WP:PLOT does not say anything about unsourceable plot, it asks that articles be written in a manner in keeping with WP:WAF. If the series itself has third party sources discussing it, then coverage of the characters is within our scope, and the information can be sourced to primary source, with secondary sourcing covering publication details and the like, allowing a brief summary of each character written in an encyclopedic manner in the style of Characters of Final Fantasy VIII. AFD is not cleanup, and our editing policy states than an article might look like a first draft&mdash;or worse, a random collection of notes and factoids. Rather than being horrified by this ugliness, we should rejoice in its potential, and have faith that the editing process will turn it into brilliant prose. Let's follow our policy and have faith that this will be cleaned up.  Tag as appropriate and Keep. Hiding T 22:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: JasonBillie created the page in November, in this edit and then immediately removed the list from the parent article in this edit, which seems to be following the advice at Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) rather than being against it. Agree with Hiding, tag as appropriate and Keep .--86.3.142.101 (talk) 23:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletions.  -- Hiding T 15:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.