Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Monster Rancher monsters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Concern about WP:CREEP in WP:GAMECRUFT may be valid, but I don't think a convincing case can be made that the "random monster you raise/kill for XP" lists, that only state "monster X has ability Y and costs Z", are comparable to a backhand or to Alekhine's Defense. Consensus can change, but it shows no signs of having changed here. The Bushranger One ping only 18:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

List of Monster Rancher monsters

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Wikipedia is not a WP:GAMEGUIDE. Before anyone says WP:OTHERCRAP exists like this for other video games that involve collecting monsters... keep in mind that this is pretty much the same as having a List of Pogs. Yes. I realize that there are games where the entire point of it is to collect things, be it pogs, or monsters, or tiny coins. But Wikipedia is not a WP:GAMEGUIDE. We should explain how and why the collection matters in the main game article, but should not cross over into game guide territory by offering a complete list of every item you collect in order to obtain victory. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC) Shooterwalker (talk) 05:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment about two years ago there was another discussion about this article. They overstated the potential for this article to improve, as evidenced by the lack of improvement. But they also miss the point. No amount of sourcing fixes game guide content. Wikipedia is not a guide for every attack, attribute, and game mechanic for every sprite in a video game.
 * Perhaps not - but its been LONG established that "List of Character in (xxx) is kosher. See also WP:NOEFFORT. 159.182.1.4 (talk) 16:51, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't confuse "List of Monster Rancher monsters" with "List of Monster Rancher characters". I'll grant that characters are "kosher". But lists of characterless game units are not kosher. Even if you put in the "effort" of applying the WP:GAMEGUIDE policy and trim the descriptions of the game units and their abilities, you're left with a few scant plot details. That's why we usually delete these lists. See these AFDs about lists of units/enemies/drones. (Collapsible.) Shooterwalker (talk) 18:55, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


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 * Comment I don't see anything here that resembles a gameguide as there are no "how-to" instructions, game statistics, attack lists, or other playing tips on the list. I seriously doubt that this list will even aid someone who is playing one of the games. But that doesn't mean that the list violates other provisions of WP:NOT, particularly WP:IINFO. There are an huge number of incidental characters. It also doesn't help matters that many statements appear to be based on original research or that the article is entirely unsourced. It should not be confused with List of Monster Rancher characters, which lists characters from the anime series based on the game. —Farix (t &#124; c) 14:12, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you remove the physical description, the in-game abilities, and where to find them, you're left with pure plot information. Article is a collection of game guide factoids such as "The only known way to get a purebred Disk without using cheat codes is to unlock its two sub-breeds, Gooaalll! (Disk/?) and Radial (Disk/?), and combine them." Or "They are extremely hard to obtain and have powerful but strange attacks, which include a chicken motorcycle and a large boot. " Or "They have a large variety of attacks, employing their wings, claws, tails, fangs, and fire breath. They are extremely powerful, but have relatively short lifespans compared to other species. They have been scaled down quite a bit in Monster Farm Lagoon, not only in size but also in power." And I just looked at three random species in a row. That's the norm here. Shooterwalker (talk) 14:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Not a notable list; there are no sources that establish notablity. This is WP:GAMECRUFT. The individual items and are unlikely to ever receive enough media attention to warrant more than a short critical reception mention in the main game article. This isn't even a character list. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 19:58, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete While the games are notable, this type of list is not. This particular one is part of the inappropriate contents as described in the WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines, number 6 of the inappropriate content, a lists of gameplay items, weapons, or concepts. It's unnecessary to understand the notability and reception of the games. The list also falls into what Wikipedia is not by being an indiscriminate collection of information. In my opinion, it does not meet the criteria of appropriate topics for lists because it's trivial and non-encyclopedic, and also none of the items in the list is notable. Jfgslo (talk) 20:52, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not plot only descriptions or game guides. 74.198.9.234 (talk) 03:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:GAMEGUIDE is WP:CREEP: per Category:Chess pieces, Category:Tennis shots, Category:Tennis terminology, Category:Golf terminology, Category:Chess openings, Category:Bridge squeezes. WP:GAMECRUFT is the same only CREEPier. WP:CCC, hopefully. Anarchangel (talk) 09:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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