Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Muslim actors


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 06:22, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

List of Muslim actors

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There's really nothing to say about this except: irrelevant intersection. Nothing special about being both a Muslim and an actor (in today's day and age). Bull dog123 08:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete as a trivial intersection. Much to my surprise, after considerable searching I'm unable to find much discussion of "Muslim actors" as a specific field of discussion.  I can find discussion of Islamic theatre (both modern and traditional), mentions of several specific Muslim actors, a whole bunch of stuff about Iranian actors and Iranian cinema, and discussions generally of portrayal of Islam in media, but nothing specifically about "Muslim actors".  So I'm forced to agree that, however unlikely it seems, "Muslim actor" may well be a trivial intersection.  I'm open to changing my vote if someone finds the sources I couldn't. - DustFormsWords (talk) 08:10, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, pretty much indiscriminate list. There's nothing special about being a Muslim actor. This is no more notable than a "list of Muslims" or a "list of actors". J I P  &#124; Talk 12:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Another indiscrimate and pointless list that needs to be wiped off the face of Wikipedia. Divebomb is not British 13:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 17:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 17:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Far from a trivial intersection.  I've added a short intro reflecting that; much more is available to buttress that view, along the same lines.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm honestly baffled. You searched the words "Muslim actors" in quotes... found swill like this: "In 2008, an Indian mujahideen group purportedly wrote an email saying that Muslim Bollywood actors must stop working in films or face death..." and somehow believe it substantiates a list of all Muslim actors... much less a prose article on the subject. Bull dog123  21:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at all the refs together. Look as well at all the mentions on the web of the intersection.  And address those as a whole, rather than focus on one.  Anything less is a transparent effort to mis-lead and confuse your fellow editors.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll go one by one. Here you googled the words "Muslim actors" and found a book about terrorism where the words show up on exactly 1 page. That page briefly mentions how the BBC has trouble finding "Muslim actors" for their dramas because not many devout Muslims are actors. Irrelevant link #1
 * Here you once again simply googled "Muslim actors" and found a BBC news article about how devout Muslims who are also actors tend not to want to play "gay roles." Somehow, through sheer original research, you connected it to the link above. Amazingly, this BBC news article has almost nothing to do with the subject of Muslim actors, but rather, the subject of "homosexuality" and portrayals of it in the Muslim community. You'd be better off making the list List of LGBT Muslims with this link (though that would also be a WP:WEIGHT issue). Suffice to say, Irrelevant link #2
 * Your third link talks about how Ridley Scott wanted to employ Muslim actors in Kingdom of Heaven. Nice trivia. Irrelevant link #3
 * Your fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh links all provide the same tidbit of information suited for Cinema of India. Irrelevant here.
 * Needless to say but, I can put two words in quotes as well and bring up a lot of disparate material. Check it out: Left-Handed History by Ed Wright, The Expressive Body: Physical Characterization of the Actor by David Alberts, Celebrated Left-Handers by Leigh W. Rutledge... All right, Epee. I expect you to start List of left-handed actors. Bull dog123  01:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The last comment makes my point. When we have as many sources on left-handed actors as we do on Muslim actors, it will be notable.  I'm not aware that we have reports in Parliament about the paucity of left-handed actors, in the papers about the difficult to get them to act in certain movies, in India about them changing their names to be right-handed, and people reportedly trying to kill them because they are left-handed actors.  Or the counterpart of Muslims on Screen & Television (MOST), a resource center providing Hollywood productions with connections to Muslim actors (try telling them that there is no such intersection).  Plus, as required by wp:before, I'm sure that you saw that what is now in the article is only the tip of the iceberg of books and articles focusing on the intersection, which reflects its notability.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:32, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You'll just go down with the sinking ship, Epee. Now you claim there are more sources for Muslim actors? Please point me to where they are: ? I beg of you. Bull dog123  22:18, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * While I don't think describing Epeefleche's contributions to the article as "swill" is remotely warranted, and Bulldog123 should consider Wikipedia's policy on personal attacks, I'm nevertheless not convinced that these mentions are non-trivial or constitute significant discussion. - DustFormsWords (talk) 23:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable intersection.Griswaldo (talk) 05:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining and a possible festering BLP problem. I've removed Tony Shaloub from the list, as there is no indication in his article or in any source I've found saying he is a Muslim. In general, they are difficult to prove.--TM 00:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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