Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Muslims in entertainment and the media


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

List of Muslims in entertainment and the media

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Per WP:LISTCRUFT. Obviously no indication that Islam has an effect on their lives or helped them in their careers in entertainment. Fails list purpose. Störm  (talk)  09:23, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Not ready to take a position yet, but just out of curiosity, which of the 12 reasons for something to fall afoul of WP:LISTCRUFT do you think this falls under? Cause I don't really see this as falling under any of them. PraiseVivec (talk) 11:30, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:26, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep listcruft is an essay not a policy. While it's fine to include it in your reasoning for nominating an article for deletion, it should not be your sole argument. We have numerous lists of Muslims. See Lists of Muslims. The article is well sourced and is not too long. I see no reason at all for deletion. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 16:42, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Neutral comment Please expand your deletion reason for all three of these noms; WP:CRUFT has specifically been called out in the past as an inappropriate deletion rationale, especially alone as the only reason.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 16:45, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment At the moment I'm inclined to keep. Unlike some of the other lists of Muslims we've recently considered, this list refers to a more clearly definable set of people and is not indiscriminate in its nature; it also appears that every entry is individually sourced. In my view the section on Literature and Art should be removed as these don't really qualify as entertainment or media, but apart from that I'm waiting for someone to explain clearly what's wrong with the article as it stands.  Mccapra (talk) 10:42, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as for the reasons above I can’t see what’s wrong with it. Mccapra (talk) 06:11, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - I don't think WP:LISTCRUFT applies here. Mujinga (talk) 18:03, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - what does being a Muslim have to do with being an entertainer? - if they converted to another religion would they stop being entertainers? - an arbitrary category; WP:INDISCRIMINATE - WP:LISTPEOPLE says "Special care must be taken when adding living persons to lists based on religion" (see also WP:BLPCAT and WP:CAT/R) - Epinoia (talk) 00:14, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * . Why does being a Muslim have to have something to do with entertainment? How is this list more indiscriminate than List of Hungarian Nobel laureates or List of Catholic clergy scientists? Here again you say that ‘special care must be taken.....’ implying that it hasn’t when it looks to me like it has. Mccapra (talk) 05:50, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * -see Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions and Other stuff exists - Epinoia (talk) 14:16, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * -The onus is on the nominator and on those supporting deletion to show that notability is not met. ‘What does being a Muslim have to do with being an entertainer?‘ is not a rationale for deletion. Mccapra (talk) 20:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. There are over a billion Muslims in the world, how it is a notable cross categorisation that they are also famous entertainers or media personalities? Ajf773 (talk) 09:04, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * a false argument since nobody is proposing a list of a billion or more people. There are perhaps some thousands of Muslims in the music and entertainment industry so we’d likely end up with something larger than List of Jewish American entertainers. The issue is whether the people on the list are otherwise notable, and whether their religious views can be reliably sourced. Mccapra (talk) 06:05, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Jewish-American is more of a categorisation as it deals with a minority religious group in that country. In this AfD, the list criteria is a global categorisation. If we listed only the notable ones, the list would be unwieldy and indiscriminate. Ajf773 (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep for reasons already given by User:JDDJS above. Maestro2016 (talk) 19:50, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Indiscriminate list. This would basically include all entertainers in Muslim countries. We don't have "Jewish entertainers" or "Christian entertainers" either. Following Ajf773, I could imagine a category "Muslim American entertainers" or Muslim Hungarian entertainers, but a worldwide list of Muslim entertainers is not manageable. In addition, for many of these people, being Muslims will hardly affect their performances, so I doubt even the usefulness of national lists. --Randykitty (talk) 21:46, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


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