Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NASCAR Sprint Cup Series last place finishers


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The result was   delete. JForget 00:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

List of NASCAR Sprint Cup Series last place finishers

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A list of last place finishers runs into trouble with WP:N, WP:FANCRUFT, plus issues with WP:STATS and potentially WP:INDISCRIMINATE Falcadore (talk) 03:20, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - We can verify most of this article with reliable secondary sources. If there is any cruft left, we can clean it up. GVnayR (talk) 03:26, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - It is a list, there is little or no scope for language alteration and secondly the cruft is inherent in the subject and cannot be cleaned out. --Falcadore (talk) 22:22, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Even if this could somehow by verified. This is a non-encyclopedic topic that highlights people's failures. I believe that we run into problems with WP:BLP since it only serves to disparage the people on the list. I agree with WP:STATS and WP:INDISCRIMINATE assessment. We don't have lists of baseball pitchers with the league's highest ERA.  Royal broil  04:38, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I believe that both successes and failures should be equally highlighted in this encyclopedia. What the sense of having a list of the world's tallest buildings or the longest roads if we aren't also willing to make a list of the world's smallest buildings or the world's shortest roads? GVnayR (talk) 16:36, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Response to comment - Wikipedia, specifically WP:Notability does not share that belief. --Falcadore (talk) 22:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Further response - Ok. So you're saying that Richard Petty's 200 NASCAR Cup Series victories is more notable than J.D. McDuffie's 32 last place finishes? That's outrageous. People are just as unlikely to beat McDuffie's record for last place finishes as they are to beat Petty's record for career wins. GVnayR (talk) 23:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Further response - It's more notable in the same way that winning a 100m foot race at the Olympic Games is more notable than winning a 100m race at a county fairground. The notability of a statistical achievement is not purely defined on its rarity. Prestige and desireability also important criteria towards notability. --Falcadore (talk) 00:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree with Royalbroil. Also, I can think of no reason why a list of last-place finishers in any sport would be needed. It might be interesting to a limited number of people, but that does not mean it should be included. NotAnonymous0 (talk) 05:55, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Everybody loves watching sports blooper films on DVD or VHS. By having articles like these on Wikipedia, they can serve as a kind of "historical blooper film." GVnayR (talk) 16:38, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - But do the people who messed up like being laughed at over and over again? NotAnonymous0 (talk) 17:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Response to comment - America's Funniest Home Videos often appear in reruns on ABC and they still show some of the clips of the funniest videos people made of their kids 20 years ago. Of course, people can still laugh at themselves years after the fact. GVnayR (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Response to comment - That does not mean it is Wikipedia's role to document this, any more than it is Wikipedia's role to document individual episodes of America's Funniest Home Videos regardless of how many times they may be re-run. --Falcadore (talk) 22:14, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete simply ridiculous. do we now have last place list for Olympic finals, tennis tournaments etc, swimming competitions? LibStar (talk) 06:25, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete Topic has no encyclopedic value. The point of a competition is to make note of the best of the field. Everybody who doesn't win, loses. (Though sometimes second and third place are recognized).  There's no encyclopedic reason to single out people who did the worst, other than to rub salt in their wounds. Fletcher (talk) 02:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
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