Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NFL Draft Steals


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Keep (see my talk for full explanation) Wikibofh 17:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

List of NFL Draft Steals
A more-or-less empty list with inherently POV criteria. (Related to this is the ongoing AFD of List of NHL Draft Steals.) - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 08:48, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article needs two things namely criteria for determining who is a steal and verifiable sources for the claims. Capitalistroadster 09:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Someone beat me to the punch, I was going to post this to AfD. Even if the criteria that Capitalistroadster talked about is reached, the barebones content in there doesn't merit an article of its own. Karmafist 14:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete It is POV. Then you would have to list current popular NFL stars or Hall of Famers that were drafted past the 1st round which is a lot. Also, what is consider a steal? Is Randy Moss consider a steal because he dropped around the late 1st round. Where does it stop? --J. Nguyen 16:18, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete This list constitutes sports trivia, and sports trivia list, especially one that relies on arbitrary decisions of which fan's opinion is right, is not an encyclopedia article. The Literate Engineer 17:04, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete --HappyCamper 17:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep if an agreement to what criteria is needed for a player to be added to the list, then I see no reason why this article can't be kept. If this article is considered POV, then why isn't List of NFL Draft Busts considered POV? Why are only the "Steals" up for deletion and no the "Busts"? I say keep all if an agreement can be reached for which players meet the criteria.Masterhatch 17:41, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I am the creator of this article (and the List of NHL Draft Steals, another disputed article, as well), and I understand that this may be POV to some people (due to the many definitions of a bust or a steal that people have). I am sorry that I haven't updated the NFL Draft Busts and Steals pages as of late... I really don't have the time to pour into making this list as I did with the NHL pages (I was in summer vacation then and add a part-time job (20-30 hours/week) to that as well). The lack of time for me to develop this page has allowed it to rot into this state. I will try to get some guidelines for an NFL Draft Steal and an NFL Draft Bust up soon. I know that this can be fixed... It just needs manhours and research. As an example, look at the Films considered the worst ever. It was often debated whether it was legittimate or it was strictly POV, but the contributors to the list started to crack down on what could come in to the list. If I (and others) can crack down on what comes into these lists, I feel that this list can thrive in the Wikiverse. Hossmann 15:30, 15 October 2005
 * Comment: According to this list, Kurt Warner was a "steal" in the NFL Draft when he wasn't even drafted and most importantly not a considered prospect to be drafted. That is the reason is why I didn't take this "list" seriously. --J. Nguyen 23:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I can understand why you cannot respect this list. If you see my List of NHL Draft Steals, there is a separate section called "Undrafted Steals". My plan, if this list stays on wikipedia, is that I will take Kurt Warner (or any other undrafted steal in the NFL) and shove them onto this list. Hossmann 23:22, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as it is Incomplete list 3 names only --JAranda &#124; watz sup 21:58, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Hossman. Lists have no need to be complete at all times. Kappa 22:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, but is this list worth completing? I believe the answer is "no".  The Literate Engineer 21:07, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, inherent POV. Also addresses the reader, currently no content. Rhobite 02:14, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I may be the biggest NFL fan alive (both literally and metaphorically), but this list is inherently subjective without criteria, ergo unencyclopedic. Xoloz 12:08, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.