Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of National Hockey League attendance figures


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:55, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

List of National Hockey League attendance figures

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Fails WP:NOTSTATS. taking this article to its logical complete state would include an entry for every team in every season since 1917. => Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 21:43, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - clear case of WP:NOTSTATS. GiantSnowman 11:36, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, agreed. Resolute 14:00, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, per above. Patken4 (talk) 21:31, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge into relevant NHL season article (i.e. section "2012-13 attendance statistics" to be merged into 2012–13 NHL season, ect.) then redirect to List of NHL seasons. Dolovis (talk) 14:17, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Change my iVote to Keep and merge per reasons given by Arxiloxos and  Mentoz86 below. Dolovis (talk) 18:08, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. No satisfactory explanation is given for how this supposedly violates WP:NOTSTATS. It's important information, sensibly organized, and absolutely appropriate as encyclopedic coverage of sports.  The only specific objection given is that, when completed, the article would be too long in order to cover all the seasons of each league.  To which the answer is: So what?  Wikipedia is not paper.  When the list gets longer, it can be divided into pieces as we do with all sorts of lengthy articles.


 * I can understand the objections that have been raised at Articles for deletion/Football club attendances (2006) with respect to attendance lists that combine different sports. But many of the editors at that AfD have commented that collections of attendance information for individual sports are encyclopedic. Attendance in the major North American sports leagues receives continuing coverage and is vital to an understanding of those sports.  Deleting this sourced, important information outright doesn’t accord with WP:PRESERVE and isn’t helpful to anyone.  The suggestion to merge this list into the corresponding season articles is something that can be discussed, although it doesn’t facilitate year-to-year comparison as well as this list does, and I don’t see any policy reason why a multiyear list isn't appropriate.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 14:39, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - per Arxiloxos. Unlike Articles for deletion/Football club attendances (2006), attendance figures in leagues like this is normally discussed as a group by reliable sources, which means this list passes WP:LISTN. Merging sounds reasonable, but that can be discussed on the talk-page after this AfD is closed. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:33, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - It's a little bit almanacky, but this is the sort of thing that our readers will expect in a comprehensive encyclopedia. Certainly a topic of ample media coverage. Carrite (talk) 17:03, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Arxiloxos and Carrite.-- Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 14:40, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.