Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Needlework Designers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was userfy; no point deleting content if valid user wants it. Johnleemk | Talk 07:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

List_of_Needlework_Designers
Delete. A long list of red links. Not especially useful when a category would suffice. I also suspect that most of these people will turn out to be nn. Page created by a doubtlessly well-meaning new user who doesn't yet grasp Wikipedia's policies --kingboyk 12:59, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

*Delete, per Kingboy. RasputinAXP talk contribs 14:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: The only blue link on this article links to Kaffe Fassett, who "has attracted a considerable following. His work was the subject of a 1988 one-man show at the Victoria & Albert Museum in London, the first time a living textile artist had such a show there. The show proved so popular that it was successfully converted into an international travelling show that visited nine countries". He seems notable enough. Unsure about the remaining red links. No vote. -- Longhair 13:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Since you commented before I'd put my statement up :) - I'd say that one entry does not a list make, and the notability of Mr Fassett is not being questioned. I don't consider the list very useful, a category would do the job, and I think it's an open invite to create a truck load of articles on nn people. --kingboyk 13:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, I'd say that we are in danger of diplaying systemic bias here. It may be that most of these people are nn, but it will difficult for us to tell.  There are lots of people who do needlepoint, most of whom are not in a demographic that includes a lot of wikipedians.  Selling needlepoint designs is a pretty sizeable industry, and I would think has its share of "star" designers. Since this list is new, and the one name on it that has generated an article is clearly notable, we should wait and see what comes of this. Dsmdgold 02:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Kingboy's comment -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 04:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete or seriously clean up. Dsmdgold's point is well taken.  However, while I don't do a lot of needlepoint, I have a passing familiarity with some of the "famous names," though not, I admit those of the British designers.  As you note, the problem with a list like this is assessing notability.  (I also suspect that the original entry on the page, Nathalie Forster, was added by her personally.)  Rather than having a list of red links (save one), I suggest removing all red links and adding links to a few embroidery designers that are in Wikipedia.  The creator of the page would be encouraged to instead create a few articles about these folks.  In the meantime, I'm adding links to a few needlework designers that are in Wikipedia already or who really are notable.  Crypticfirefly 05:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I've taken the liberty of creating a category for "Embroidery designers" and have deployed it on a new stub that I just created for Charles Germain de Saint Aubin. Crypticfirefly 05:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Werdna648T/C\@ 10:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't think that this list will be expanded, nor will the vast majority of these names ever get a stub/article. At best a category could be created per kingboyk's comments. Ifnord 14:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete/make category. I don't like lists at the best of times; I also agree with Ifnord. Stifle 16:56, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, needlework is an encyclopedic topic. This list needs research, not deletion. Gazpacho 19:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment There already are many articles on needlework. The problem with this list is that very little of it is worth saving.  I see that its original creator has been adding one-line stubs about some of the people listed, but I still agree with kingboyk, this would probably be better as a category than as a list. Crypticfirefly 04:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, list of non-notable people. Catamorphism 08:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep or Userfy. Nmforste is now busy creating articles for the entries. Pathoschild and I told her sub-substubs are not OK.  I suggest we userfy this so she can build enough suitable bios for a list such as this.  I agree with Gazpacho.  --Perfecto  09:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Userfy and delete Nathalie Forster is trying to create articles for all these poeple, and is doing so in a way which indicates some hurry (probably prompted by this debate). If we move the page to her user space and let her create them in her own time, she has already said they will be categorised. JzG 09:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm happy with that suggestion. Let's not discourage a new editor. --kingboyk 09:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * comment: I'm happy with that too. I don't want to discourage anyone. RasputinAXP  talk contribs 16:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.