Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of New York City parks relating to the Vietnam War


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. As is common with these cross-cutting list AfDs, the arguments are basically, "There's no sources that cover this as a group" vs "But it's a useful navigation tool", which no consensus either way. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

List of New York City parks relating to the Vietnam War

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No original research. While interesting, no sources provided to show this is a notable subject. Loksmythe (talk) 20:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Loksmythe (talk) 20:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:14, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Fails WP:LISTN: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". Clarityfiend (talk) 20:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Further in LISTN it states Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. I believe this is such an instance, since there exists no other venue to aggregate this kind of information (Vietnam War memorials in NYC). Importantly, besides for the unlinked entries there are at least 4 blue linked ones. StonyBrook (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Almost all the entries are referenced, which suggests that this covers a viable topic - a loose network of war memorials. Nick-D (talk) 09:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. As a properly sourced listing of Vietnam war-related parks, it meets WP:GNG, as the NYC Parks citations show a clear connection with the Vietnam War. A list need not be covered by a few centralized references, though the sourcing can indeed be improved. epicgenius (talk) 15:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I can certainly add more sources to back up those from the Parks Department web page.--Queens Historian (talk) 16:43, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per my comments at Articles for deletion/List of New York City parks relating to Jewish culture. Few of these "relate to the Vietnam War" but rather simply have a namesake who was involved in the war, not quite a "clear connection". Entries being references does not necessarily establish "a viable topic" when there is a lack of coverage of these as a set per LISTN. The majority are small non-notable playgrounds and squares that apparently need mention over parks in other cities and other locations in NYC not managed by NYC Parks. Reywas92Talk 20:13, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If they are named after a veteran of the war, they are related to the war. StonyBrook (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:02, 28 February 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Would've closed as no consensus but would think a relist would be better. Happy to be reverted though.
 * Keep per WP:LISTN and my comments above. StonyBrook (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The article is just a list and a single photo. This might be better material for a New York City parks Wiki.TH1980 (talk) 02:46, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand your objection. The article has always been intended as a list (which is valid if it meets list notability criteria), and we're discussing whether this list is notable. Having one photo is not something we consider when we decide whether to delete an article - we consider notability and sources. epicgenius (talk) 21:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Question - Do we have sources which treat this subject as a group? I wouldn't be surprised if it existed, but that's usually how we evaluate notability of a list topic and ensure there's no original research in the grouping (i.e. we need more than verification of each entry; there are any number of subjects we could write lists about in the format "list of [X] in [Y] that [Z]," so we need evidence that the grouping itself has been covered). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 02:59, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , well I decided to take a look, but kept coming up with results about the Queens Vietnam War memorial. Maybe it's because I lived nearby, but still, someone else should probably take a look. epicgenius (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:LISTN criteria. Lightburst (talk) 04:56, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nightfury 14:44, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


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