Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Nintendo cast members


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The result was no consensus for deletion. Please take further redirect, renaming, and merge discussions to the talk page of the article. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Nintendo cast members

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Totally random. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list of information. Kariteh 21:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.   -- Bduke 00:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is what categories are for.--Sbluen 00:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and replace with category. Andre (talk) 00:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Keep as per category discussions. This information is valuable in some format. Andre (talk) 22:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP is not a directory in WP:NOT] Corpx 01:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Also I question if calling them Ninendo Cast members is even accurate. The main criteria seems to be that they have done voice work for a Nintendo related product. Many of these people have done work for other shows with no connection to Nintnendo whatsoever. seems useless. --69.156.205.225 05:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point - List of loosely assosiated topics per WP:NOT Corpx 09:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep this is NOT what categories are for. Over at CFD we spent months working on getting all the cast member categories listified.  During discussions, we assured the people who maintained the categories that no information would be destroyed when the categories were removed and more detailed information could be added to the lists.  PLEASE! don't delete these lists.  If you do, people will start recreating the categories.  This information makes much more sense as a list than as a category.  I think it is impractical to say that cast lists should not have any home on Wikipedia.  People will continue to add this information faster than we can remove it.  Let it exist on lists.  That is the most appropriate form this information can take. -- &#x2611; Sam uelWantman 06:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * These pages should be salted if people keep recreating it. We shouldn't keep pages that violates policy for fear of recreation. Corpx 06:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - I very strongly oppose turning this back into a category. See Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 25.  Using categories for cast members became a nightmare, as actors may perform in up to one hundred films and TV shows during their careers.  The resulting block of category links at the bottoms of the articles for some actors became very difficult to read and use for navigation.  Turning these lists back into categories would be highly disruptive.  Dr. Submillimeter 08:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever happens, do not categorize. Dr. Submilliter and Samuel have already explained why. Besides, this information will eventually be re-added (and it's not likely it's entirely irrelevant. Look at the almost obsessive list of Voice actors maintained in Anime fandoms). Circeus 09:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, other crap exists. Kariteh 11:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong delete - clearly violates WP:NOT #2 "Mere collections of internal links, except for disambiguation pages ... and for structured lists". Alternately, perhaps this could be turned into a navigation aid like that used for characters? That would retain the same association without wasting a category and/or article on it. GarrettTalk 11:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment This is a structured list. Granted, it's not very well structured right now, but that can be improved (as you suggested), and an article which can be improved should not be deleted just because it hasn't been improved. WP:SOFIXIT! DHowell 02:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep per Sam and also because of the popularity and influence of Nintendo. --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 15:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Do not categorize Cast lists should almost never be done as categories. Either delete altogether, leave as a list article or merge the cast list into the main article for the show. See WP:OCAT for why cast lists should not be done as categories. Dugwiki 16:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to List of Nintendo voice actors or List of actors appearing in Nintendo video games; or merge and redirect to List of video games published by Nintendo or List of Nintendo characters. Since all-capital-letter links to a particular essay and certain policies seem to be all the rage right now in WP:AfD, let me say that WP:JUSTAPOLICY is no more a valid argument than WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Simply stating that something is an "indiscriminate list" or a "directory" does not make it so. Nobody has presented any valid argument as to why a WP:LIST of WP:NOTABLE voice actors in a WP:NOTABLE video game series, which is WP:VERIFIABLE and WP:ATTributable to WP:ReliableSources, is WP:NPOV and not WP:ORiginal research, would be considered an "indiscriminate list" or a "directory". A cast list is a well-defined, finite, list, which is a perfectly valid criteria meeting the WP:LIST guidelines, as typically actors are notable for the very reason of being in certain notable television shows, films, and video games. And cast categories are usually not appopriate for the very good reasons given in WP:OCAT. DHowell 02:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.