Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Notable Ateneans


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

List of Notable Ateneans

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Seems like an original research list of people that don't actually have wikipedia pages.  ceran  thor 17:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely not. Many of the entries have Wikipedia entries, just haven't got to linking them yet. Am currently in the process of fleshing out the entry which will take time as I just started the article. Gimme a break, it's 2am over here and I need sleep. I'll flesh it out over the next few weeks with reference citation links & all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Object404 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 26 November 2010


 * I'm neutral right now, but I have a question, Object404: these people are notable in whose opinion? Yours? Erpert (let's talk about it) 18:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Notability -> these entries are not my opinion. These people & the institutions they are affiliated with are known in the Philippines. Wait for the article to be in a more finished state, with citings, etc. Will take about a couple or so weeks to get it looking more presentable. -Object404 (talk) 19:15, 26 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:54, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


 * DELETE. This is just an expansion of the current set of problems which started with an article similarly up for deletion. This page essentially duplicates (in a less informative fashion) the page List of Ateneo de Manila University people, which is more representative of members of this particular community. It also seems to be incompatible with WP:NOT and WP:OR. And while we're on that subject, Object404 has tried to explain what he feels is a need to distinguish between Ateneo students and alumni and the rest of the members of the community, and then to include as many other students and alumni of other Jesuit institutions in the Philippines in an article. The reasons for these need have not been substantiated. But what can clearly be seen here is that this is really an Ateneo de Manila University alumni list, with a handful of non-Ateneo de Manila graduates being listed, and whose notability have not been established either. What can be done, however, is to modify the Ateneo de Manila University people to include the individuals listed here (provided all of them meet WP:N), and find proper citations to add their academic credentials. Rmcsamson (talk) 06:17, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, the list has just been started and will be fleshed out with notable graduates from the other Ateneo schools. It is not a simple duplicate of List of Ateneo de Manila University people as this contains differing entries. Again, the term "Ateneo de Manila University people" is extremely awkward and by is not equivalent to the term Atenean. On as side note, some of the entries here will have to be pruned too as notability will have to be established. -Object404 (talk) 08:31, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Given the way this has been going, there appears to be no development that shows that this article is on its way to meeting the Wikipedia standards raised, nor addressing the objections raised. "Awkwardness," especially that felt by one user (no demonstration to the contrary has been made), is hardly a standard for saying that something is notable or is encyclopedic. Object404 has yet to establish the distinction or justify this kind of non-inclusive nitpicking. By this standard, Bienvenido Nebres, S.J., who is arguably responsible for much of the university's development over almost 20 years, will not fall within this list, since he was never an "Atenean" according to his definition, regardless of the fact that Nebres is arguably more notable than most of the people in this list. Rmcsamson (talk) 22:16, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Again, it doesn't matter if the list has just been started or was in here a millennium ago: the topic per se doesn't satisfy Wikipedia standards -- this time as per WP:LIST and redundancy in other Ateneo-related lists, such as List of Ateneo de Manila University people -- which this is basically a re-hash of that article. For example, Ateneo de Cagayan's Senate President, Aquilino Pimentel, Jr., isn't here. So yes you can add him here but what does he have in common with the "Ateneans" in Manila/Quezon City aside from being in a university run by Jesuits? Is he (and I'm lifting from the Atenean article now) possess the "Ateneo accent"? We don't have "List of Notable Hoosiers, we have them at List of Indiana University (Bloomington) people, the standard for such articles. – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 15:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Your analogy with Hoosier is completely wrong. As for Aquilino Pimentel, Jr., he embodies the ideals of being an Atenean. Please see the discussion on the article for Atenean. The article for Atenean is pending official definition from a member of the Ateneo administration, so wait for it, thanks. -Object404 (talk) 10:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * What are these ideals, what makes them distinct (from every other positive ideal any human being should aspire for), and what is the definition of "Atenean" in relation to all these? And more importantly, what is the reliable source that supports this, and which does not constitute original research? An interview with a member of the university administration (to be more precise, just ONE university's administration, which again militates against the point the proponent's argument) is original research and has no place here, as per the standards. Again, Object404 is interjecting matters of his opinion to form the basis for his edits. Rmcsamson (talk) 03:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. Ateneo = Atenean : Indiana = Hoosier. That's how they're called. Being a Hoosier also means something, just like being an Atenean. How will you call people from U.P.? "Taga-UP?" Asking "a member of the Ateneo administration" is WP:OR so, no thanks for waiting. – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 18:02, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. That's because the standard relied upon here is an unnecessary, nebulous distinction. Rmcsamson (talk) 22:16, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi guys. Please follow the discussion here at the entry for Atenean. So far it's just HTD and Rmcsamson who've been making all the *delete* arguments and the discussion is unbalanced. -Object404 (talk) 10:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, you're the only one who's saying keep, and you're the creator of the article. The arguments presented by those two are sound and I feel I outlined what they're saying in my statement to initiate this discussion.  ceran  thor 01:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
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