Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Outlander characters


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The result was keep. North America1000 00:21, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

List of Outlander characters

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This article does not meet notability standards. I considered moving the main character descriptions to the Outlander article, but it looks as if the same text is already there.jwandersTalk 20:57, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * Outlander is a disambiguation page... I assume you mean Outlander series? That just has a link to this list under the characters section, no content. I can't say that it's unreasonable to WP:SPLIT off a character list when we have (at least) eight books and a TV series adaptation, but at best the answer is still to merge, not to delete, and the merging would hopefully be done (if not proposed) by those familiar enough with the books to know what is extraneous detail and what is useful information to a reader trying to understand the topic. The genre is historical fiction with time travel thrown in, so a character list is especially necessary to keep it all straight. postdlf (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * This list was actually split out from Outlander (novel), though many of its characters exist in other novels and it probably should be renamed and expanded to encompass the whole series. I'd like to hear more justification though as to why jwanders believes that the character list of a longrunning book series with a TV series based on it doesn't meet notability requirements. It has some citations (though more are certainly needed) and the bulk of the descriptions are short.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 21:53, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - Notable book series, notable TV series, existing citations. The entries are short but the list itself is a bit long to be part of the main series article. Only the top handful of main characters are covered in the novel article. I could understand a refimprove tag but not an AfD.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 22:41, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep. This is a list of the characters in the series as a whole, as opposed to characters in one specific book in the series. This is a fairly long spanning series (8 books and counting) and there's the TV series to think about as well, since there's a good chance that they'll add in some new characters or at the very least there will be a need to have an area to list some differences between the depictions in the book or show. We have similar lists in other areas (List of The Southern Vampire Mysteries characters, List of Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter characters) and while I'm not entirely trying to say WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, there is a lot of precedent for lists of characters for series spanning multiple novels. This could be easily expanded to contain characters from all of the books. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:42, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * To be clear, the list at present only includes characters from the first book in the series, Outlander (novel), and none that are introduced in the later 7 books. The article does have citations: three of which reference the TV series and one to a review of a latter novel from a spin-off series, i.e. none related to the first book or the characters therein.  In terms of notability, I'd be happy to keep if the article can be expanded into a list of major and minor characters from the entire series, though feel that a number of characters on the present list have too small a role to be included (e.g. "A Ghost", "Davie Beaton", "Jock Graham", "A soldier near Wentworth"). jwandersTalk 18:13, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * This effectively withdraws your nomination, if you have no remaining complaints that can't be addressed through further editing and expansion. postdlf (talk) 18:53, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The Hand of Devils reviews reads "In 1991, Gabaldon published Outlander, an exuberant 640-page mash-up of fantasy, historical romance, adventure, and arch comedy that introduced a time-traveling nurse, Claire Randall, and her doughty Scottish lover, Jamie Fraser. In five fat best-selling sequels, Gabaldon advanced their saga, set against a lushly detailed 18th-century backdrop..." which supports the lead sentence and speaks to the notability of the series.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 20:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I can adjust the lead pgh to address a broader scope for the list, but I agree with Jwanders that the really minor and non-notable characters should be removed from the list.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 20:31, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That's for normal editing and discussion to decide, though there isn't really a point to restricting it to only characters who merit a separate article, unless you mean something else by saying "non-notable". postdlf (talk) 20:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well I just meant, the list currently contains an unnamed soldier that Claire kills, and if we list every one of those types of "characters" for every novel it will get ridiculous. But yes that will be a natural point of discussion as the list evolves. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 21:01, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * keep notable main topic, valid spinoff. AFD is not cleanup. Gaijin42 (talk) 02:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
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