Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Pacific-12 Conference Men's Basketball Tournament Finals broadcasters


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:54, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

List of Pacific-12 Conference Men's Basketball Tournament Finals broadcasters

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Fails WP:LISTN, with lack of independent, reliable sources that discuss this grouping. A merge seems WP:UNDUE, as games are about the teams participating and not worth inundating with minutiae like this. —Bagumba (talk) 20:45, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 07:00, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. North America1000 09:56, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete It is listcruft. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 01:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I agree this seems like a very trivial list, however every other NCAA Division I Conference and postseason (i.e. NCAA Final Four, NIT) tournament has a list just like this one. In my judgement if this article is deleted, the same logic should be used for all other conference tournament finals. If that happens, maybe just keep List of NCAA Men's Final Four broadcasters, List of National Invitation Tournament postseason broadcasters, and List of NCAA Women's Final Four broadcasters? Cubbie15fan (talk) 15:51, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. However... - The Bushranger One ping only 23:36, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  17:13, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a WP:SPINOUT from the parent articles on the finals. While it may seem like "minutiae", one man's cruft is another man's important detail, and WP:WHOCARES is an argument to avoid. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:36, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Spinouts are generally not exempt from meeting notability guidelines. Per the guideline WP:AVOIDSPLIT: "Editors are cautioned not to immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criterion nor the specific notability criteria for their topic." Not sure how WHOCARES is relevant when the nomination is based on lack of notability. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 00:48, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "ames are about the teams participating and not worth inundating with minutiae like this" - ergo, "it's minutiae, nobody cares". - The Bushranger One ping only 01:41, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Your quote was in reference to a merge in lieu of a delete, and omitted the preceding reference to the WP:UNDUE policy, which suggests "avoiding giving undue weight mean that articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects." Feel free to identify independent, reliable sources that demonstrate the subject's notability. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 01:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The names of the broadcasters can be captured in the main tournament article if desired. I am ambivalent about if this is worth keeping, but it certainly shouldn't be its own article in my opinion. Rikster2 (talk) 16:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Exactly right: if anyone cares, the names of the broadcasters may be captured in the individual tournament articles, e.g., 2015 Pac-12 Conference Men's Basketball Tournament. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:02, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - No independent reliable sources are providing significant coverage of past broadcasters, as a group, of Pac-10/12 tournaments. The burden is on the "keep" proponents to demonstrate that significant coverage exists.  We have recently deleted list of past broadcasters of college football bowl games and NFL games, and we probably need to delete more.  These topics are meaningless trivia that fail WP:GNG and WP:NLIST.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:02, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:GNG requires \significant coverage of a topic in multiple, reliable, independent sources in order to support a stand-alone article. Here, I can find no such coverage of this topic.  Notices on CBS or Westwood One sites don't work because (i) they are not independent insofar as the simply identify their own broadcasters, and (ii) they simply identify the names of broadcasters rather than providing significant coverage into the topic of this article. Cbl62 (talk) 17:26, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


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