Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Pokémon voice actors (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to List_of_characters_in_the_Pokémon_anime_series. ff m  23:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

List of Pokémon voice actors
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Lists of voice actors have been discouraged for anime series for several years now as redundant to the character lists, and this list in particular was previously deleted as a result of AfD. I'm not seeing anything in its current iteration that would justify keeping it over its predecessor. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 22:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. — 「ダイノ ガイ  千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 22:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Your argument would only make sense if the information was listed elsewhere already. I don't see it listed at List of Pokemon characters nor at List of characters in the Pokémon anime series.   D r e a m Focus  22:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A spot check shows that the voice actors are listed in individual character articles and character sub-lists. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. JBsupreme (talk) 23:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Perhaps adding the voice actors (4Kids, Pokémon USA, and Japanese) to their characters' sections in List of characters in the Pokémon anime series would solve this issue? -sesuPRIME talk • contribs 23:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and revert edits to List of characters in the Pokémon anime series. The editor stripped the voice actors from the character list in order to create this list. This is entirely inappropriate and contrary to WP:MOS-AM. --Farix (Talk) 00:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought I remembered the voice actors in the character page... So I'm not crazy! -sesuPRIME talk • contribs 00:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've restored the voice actors to the character page. But judging from MegaHL90 edit history, he has never discussed anything with other editors on a talkpage. --Farix (Talk) 00:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete That kind of information should be inside the characters list or section and not separate or redundant from it. MegaHL90's edits is a vain try to give that list more legitimacy but all it did was to reinforce my conviction that there should not be separate list for voices actors. --KrebMarkt 07:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment What about all those listed at the end? Also, showing what episodes the voice actors worked in, might be useful for anyone trying to find that information.  I see no reason to not have it in both places, this article having more than what is listed elsewhere.  I have no idea why anyone would ever want to look at a list of all the voice actors from a long running popular series, but having them in one place, would make that easier to accomplish.   D r e a m Focus  11:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If it should not be listed separately, it should be in a character list (not individual articles, or sub-sub-lists no one can find. This should go through a merge discussion first. - Mgm|(talk) 13:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, except we've all seen how well THOSE go: The information is deemed "unimportant" and is then discarded in violation of WP:PRESERVE.  In other words, merge = delete.  I'd !vote merge if I thought it would do a lick of good.  159.182.1.4 (talk) 14:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:Preserve requires information worth retaining, this differs from case to case just as "unimportant" information depends on a case by case basis. In this case, the relevant information was already in another article, and more importantly, belongs in that other article and not this one (and has now been restored). Additionally, whatever your personal view on merge=delete, there is one noticeable difference you can't ignore - delete removes the page entirely, merge leaves a redirect to a more appropriate page (in this case it would be the character list, where the info originated and belongs) Dandy Sephy (talk) 16:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * All relevant information has already been added back to the character list. I don't see what you're complaining about in this case. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 01:13, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete or redirect as redundant to the character list. I'm unable to think of a legitimate reason for having a dedicated list of voice actors, especially when the information exists on a much more detailed character page. I don't see how you can assert that a list of voice actors meets WP:N, the notability of the series can't be inherited here, and although a few of the voice actors may be notable due to their entire body of works, thats still no reason to shove them in a list. I would have gone with merge, but Farix has already restored the deleted material. My "vote" boils down to if the article is a likely search term or not, if so, then a redirect is necessary. If not, then delete. Either way, all the content worth keeping has already been kept. Dandy Sephy (talk) 16:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think this is a useful list, as readers will not be interested in an list of voice actors of different characters, and no sources discuss this as a topic. YobMod 10:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of articles out there which most don't consider useful. But someone does, or it wouldn't have been created.  The information is all worth preserving to some, it all a matter of personal opinion.  The list makes the information easier to sort through, and this article has information which isn't found anywhere else, such as the additional voices section.  Anything other than Keep, would result in some information being deleted, no matter what you call it.   D r e a m Focus  20:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And there are a lot of problems with your arguments. Firstly, keep in mind WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Second, Wikipedia articles are not judged based on their usefulness, but on the standards of verifiability, notability, and neutral point of view. Verifiability is trivial for a voice actor/staff list, but notability is incredibly difficult to illustrate (NPOV doesn't apply in this case so much). Third, if the list has information which can't be found anywhere else, that information is original research and should be removed anyways. And even a keep closure would see some information being removed, in the course of cleaning up and expanding the list. Of course, I'm not sure why I'm bothering to explain all this to you; you've had it explained to you already way too many times for you to be ignorant of it by now. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 20:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per Dream Focus. No obvious parent list, and surely this can be sourced somewhere. As a list I don't see a need for out-of-universe commentary. This is a one-down-list from the series page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No obvious parent list? It's been discussed many times! List of characters in the Pokémon anime series. Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not only that, just because something can be reliably sourced, doesn't mean it has sufficient notability for its own article. As I said above, it's trivial to source a cast/staff/voice actor list; no one is arguing that. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Merged Dream Focus has point, however, the page could have still been removed (since the template was still there), so there for, the page has been redirected to Anime Characters (which has been merged with the actor page to show more detail). Check Out Here: List of Pokémon characters & voice actors in the anime series. I also do apologize for editing in vain, sometimes I don't remember to chat before I change anything. - User:MegaHL90
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.