Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Polish supercentenarians (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Lourdes  08:30, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

List of Polish supercentenarians
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Like Articles for deletion/List of Czech supercentenarians this page suffers from Poland's border shifting. None of the three people were born in Poland (all born before the modern state was founded) and one of the two that died did not die in Poland but in Ukraine. If someone neither were born or died in Poland why are they on a Poland list exactly? There are no RS that discuss the topic of Polish Super old people so it fails WP:NLIST. The three people on the list belong on the List_of_supercentenarians_by_continent if they qualify for inclusion. I'll note that this is just the latest of many super old peopel by country lists that have been rolled into List of supercentenarians by continent by AfD vote over the last few years. There is excellent precident to remove this page. Legacypac (talk) 03:09, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 03:22, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 03:22, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

KEEP 1. The person who nominated the article for deletion gave false information on the deathplace of people listed. All of them died or are still living in Poland; not Ukraine. 2. The fact that the people were born at the time Poland was not independent is irrelevant. The article lists persons by the country of last residence. 3. The article is properly referenced with a reliable source and press citations. 4. The two previous AfD of the same article were closed as KEEP (one in 2016 and the other as recent as in Aug. 2018!) 5. The person who has nominated the article for deletion also did it in 2016 using the same arguments. This is the violation of WP:NPOV and it is a reason for the consideration of topic ban for Legacypac. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A massive zebra (talk • contribs) 20:18, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Really - you have not used this account for 6 years than you just happen upon this AfD to protest and suggest a topic ban, displaying a remarkable knowledge of Wikipedia lingo for someone with so few edits. Which other accounts do you use? Legacypac (talk) 20:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * One doesn't have to be active on Wikipedia all of the time. Indeed, I've been active on-and-off on Wikipedia for the last several years. Futurist110 (talk) 23:43, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I was not referring to your editing history Futurist110 - zebra makes a few edits, then nothing for 6 years, then magically finds this AfD? Pretty amazing. Futurist110 sure sounds like the handle of a supercenturian fan. The analysis of non-110 hobbiests should be goven due weight. The last AfD was hardly a ringing endorsement of the article. Everyone should read that one. Legacypac (talk) 20:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The article actually closed as no consensus back in 2016, not keep. Can you provide any policy or guideline based reasoning for keeping this article? Or provide sources that aren't GRG tables or local birthday articles/obituaries that actually discuss this particular data set? CommanderLinx (talk) 12:28, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Keep: I completely agree with A massive zebra's arguments and analysis here. Futurist110 (talk) 23:43, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That suggests you did not look at the article because their "facts" are plainly refuted by the page. Poland did not exist as a country when any of these people were born. "a^ Juniewicz was born in Krupsko near Lviv, which was then part of Austria-Hungary. It is now in Ukraine. b^ Dranka was born in Harklowa, which was then part of Austria-Hungary." Also the zebra appears to be a topic ban evading sockpuppet by behavioral evidence   Legacypac (talk) 23:47, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Why exactly should it matter that Poland didn't exist as a country yet at the time of their birth? Also, A massive zebra is British while Waenceslaus is Polish. If you don't believe me, you can go check out the 110 Club forum. Futurist110 (talk) 23:58, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * aww, so you are coming from off site canvasing then? Legacypac (talk) 00:23, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you mean by that? Futurist110 (talk) 01:56, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Fanfluff listcruft. Insufficient content to justify a stand-alone article per WP:NOPAGE. Dubious definition given that Poland does not have a consistent history of nationhood during the period in question. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 05:42, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per the obvious Snakes in Iceland problem. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 06:07, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This article fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOPAGE as no reliable sources discuss supercentenarians from Poland as a group, and the three entries on this list are far too few to justify a stand-alone article. The listed individuals are also all too young to be added to the List of supercentenarians by continent, so there is no point redirecting it anywhere. None of this content is needed. Newshunter12 (talk) 10:11, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete – Fails WP:NLIST, even if we dismiss the arguments about the definition of Poland. Nothing to preserve in European or worldwide lists of old people due the Polish members' "young" age. — JFG talk 11:34, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect - Fails WP:LISTN as no sources discuss this particular data set. Three names does not make a notable list. If they're mentioned elsewhere or this can be redirected to a better target such as Europe I'm fine with that too. I appreciate someone adding the NOTAVOTE tag as the two above keeps votes clearly know each other on the 110 club forum so would not surprise me if some sort of off-Wiki canvassing has been going on again. CommanderLinx (talk) 12:28, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Pretty much what LP said. The OR around defining the individuals as Polish is the main concern. There's nothing really to merge/redirect to, as the the European list cuts off at 50 names, with the last one being a year older than the oldest entry on the Polish list.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:27, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOPAGE per above. SportingFlyer  talk  19:58, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I vote to keep. It is important to notice that there is only 1 general article of supercentenarians of all the continents, it is important there to be more articles separating supercentenarians by geography for younger supercentenarians to be listed somewhere on wikipedia. Furthermore, reaching the age of 110 is a feat of notice, it deserves a footnote on wikipedia (when the person is a supercentenarian and is one of the 100 oldest ever of a country), even if that means being only listed on a country list. Garlicolive  talk  19:00, 5 December 2018 (UTC) — Garlicolive (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. So nice of you to join us to vote on three super old people pages. . If you had some demonstrated understanding of our policies there might be a reason to spend time debating your thoughts. Legacypac (talk) 21:48, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the welcome. Although you claim that I lack in knowledge about the policies of Wikipedia, and not only that, you imply that me voting in 3 threads of supercentenarians is somehow bad. Well, just take a look and realize that in many of the recent nominated AfD of the supercentenarians there is the same, the same group of people who are voting in many articles. I feel some hypocrisy, sorry for the words, but if its bad for me it is bad for . DerbyCountyinNZ, it is bad for The Blade of the Northern Lights, it is bad for Newshunter12, and it is bad for CommanderLinx. These 4 all are voting to delete many articles of supercentenarians, oddly they only vote to delete and almost like in group, odd I would add.Garlicolive (talk) 22:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * All of us have a prior history of doing things other than voting in supercentenarian discussions. This article has a long history of people recruiting people to use Wikipedia for the sole purpose of voting a certain way in longevity discussions and, whether or not it's the case for you, from the other discussions you voted in it's abundantly clear that's happened again. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 02:59, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


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