Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Presidents of the Oxford Union (2nd time)


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The result was   speedy keep. Per WP:SNOW ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 11:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

List of Presidents of the Oxford Union
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This article fails to establish the notability of individuals which are listed (see also notability requirements for lists of people). Lists of people "should have Wikipedia articles" according to Lists_(stand-alone_lists), and the article also fails to establish the criteria for inclusion. Qu e ntin Smith 16:29, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Completely misguided nomination. Like it was the last time.. To reiterate The criterion for inclusion is clear: it is what the article is called. No ambiguity. As for notability of past members, certainly many more recent enties are not notable yet: go back a few years & its stuffed with blue links.TheLongTone (talk) 16:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep It's a list containing a large number of notable people. Due to its length, it's reasonable to have this as a spin-off article from Oxford Union.  As for the claim that it "fails to establish the criteria for inclusion": it's a list of people who have held a specified office in a specified and notable institution.  How much clearer do you want? --Colapeninsula (talk) 17:05, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Colapeninsula. However, this should not be interpreted in the future as implying that everyone who has been a president of the Oxford Union should be considered notable enough to warrant an article of their own. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:29, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:29, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep- Good faith creation; when created, guideline had not yet required individual sourcing (last stable version) which has been edited 500+ times since; should remain for eventual improvement. Dru of Id (talk) 19:44, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Colapeninsula: it's a legitimate spinoff from Oxford Union and that basis a complete list can & should be maintained, including persons who are not otherwise notable. --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:54, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - As a collection, the subject matter is considerable by all notability list standards. Mkdw talk 20:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably-unnecessary-to-add-a-"keep"-by-now keep The Encyclopaedia of Oxford (1988, ISBN 0-333-48614-5) has few lists of people relating to the university: just the MPs for the university constituency (back in the days when there was such a thing), its Chancellors, its Vice-Chancellors, and the Presidents of the Union since 1900. A pretty clear indication that the office of President of the Union is a legitimate subject for a stand-along list on WP.  Whilst not everyone of them is notable in WP terms, most of the historic ones are and increasing numbers of the more recent ones will get an article in due course, like them or loathe them!  (Disclosure: I was a member some years ago, and so probably technically still am, but I'd just use the bar once or twice a term and took no part in the Union or its activities beyond that). BencherliteTalk 14:34, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've gone through the list with my copy of the book I mentioned, adding row-by-line citations, checking the names and found quite a few about who we already had articles (and a few more who we should have articles about). BencherliteTalk 07:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment This might be a double-jeopardy bad faith nomination since the subject and substance of the article has not changed and this is the same nominator as the first AfD. Mkdw talk 03:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
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