Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom by date of birth


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The result was redirect to List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom. General consensus that this should not be an article. Any useful content can be merged to List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom at editorial discretion from the page history. T. Canens (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom by date of birth

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Load of unsourced trivia. Completely OR. Nobody really ever published an article anywhere about British prime ministers that were "Born after their spouse", for example... And whether a PM was born in the same year as a "British Monarch" is of course also utterly trivial. And so on... WP:LISTCRUFT. Randykitty (talk) 10:27, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Randykitty (talk) 10:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep There are plenty of other articles relating to this topic that can confirm all of the material written in this article. It is more or less a summary of all of the births of each and every person who has been Prime Minister of the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boy Named Stu (talk • contribs) 10:59, 10 August 2015 (UTC)  [User:Boy Named Stu]] is the creator of this article. Disclosure added per WP:AFDFORMAT.
 * Comment. Please read again, the problem is not whether the info is correct or not, but that it is utterly trivial cruft. --Randykitty (talk) 11:21, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. It summarizes when and where all of the PMs were born. No other article on Wikipedia covers this topic in as much depth as this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boy Named Stu (talk • contribs) 11:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep looks like a highly notable list with easy to find sources. Fotaun (talk) 16:07, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Really?? Any source for "British PMs born after their spouse"? Just saying there are "easy to find sources" does not make it so. There will be tons of sources for birth dates of PMs, of course. There may even be some sources for bdates of their spouses. Everything else in this list is OR. Have a look at Category:Lists of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom. Any really interesting info is in one of those lists (although some of those are pretty crufty, too). --Randykitty (talk) 16:41, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Hello, and thanks for the comment. Strictly speaking a lot of that really is a dispute over page content. Some of the issues may be real and of course the entire wikipedia probably needs better sources, but its probably not necessary to engage in deletion discussion. Fotaun (talk) 16:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, this is more than a discussion on page content, given that the whole page is OR and listcruft. There's no salvaging this mess. So unless somebody can show that this subject is something that has been addressed in reliable sources, this utterly unencyclopedic stuff fails our notability standards. --Randykitty (talk) 17:07, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Strong delete per nom. List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom already includes all the necessary info (birth names, year of birth). Birthplace and order of birth are pretty irrelevant. Otherwise, we'd be snowed under by List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom by height, List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom by hair color, etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:49, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * We have a list of Presidents of the United States with facial hair which has survived several attempts to delete it because the topic is actually quite notable. Editors who don't like such lists should please accept that their personal tastes are not an adequate reason to delete. Andrew D. (talk) 12:19, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. --Randykitty (talk) 12:24, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The same editor has also created List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom by date of death FYI, for which the same arguments apply. -  Chrism  would like to hear from you 17:38, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And there's also List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom by age. -  Chrism  would like to hear from you 17:42, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: WP:BADIDEA, turning an amalgamation of data sorts into an article. Vrac (talk) 01:59, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong keep A highly informative and factual look on the births of British PMs. WikiPedia needs articles like this. Definitely not worthy of deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.142.90.64 (talk) 09:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Like Boy Named Stu and Fotaun, you seem to think that if something is true and you deem it interesting, that that is enough reason for an article to be kept. It is not. There are a lot of things I could write about my cleaning lady, all true and some of it perhaps even interesting, but the crux of the matter is that she is not notable, so she won't get an article. You should read up about deletion policy, because !votes like this one that are not policy based are likely to be ignored by the closing admin. --Randykitty (talk) 11:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - nom said everything I have to say. shoy (reactions) 13:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep How the hell is this article in the delete section? It would've taken this person hours to compile what seems to me to be vitally important information on the births of UK PMs. After all, they are one of the world's most powerful people. It does look fairly similar to the articles on US Presidents, but I don't see any of those articles in the delete section at all. I can't entirely agree either that it's OR. The information on births and birthplaces would've come from sources anyway. To the average person that would even have the slightest interest in British politics, this article makes all of the information in it a hell of a lot easier to access than it would clicking on the articles on every single PM. Definitely for keeps this one.Silver Sovereign (talk) 16:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC) — User:Silver Sovereign (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment. Yes, it must have taken a lot of effort and I really feel sorry for the article creator. However, I could put a couple of hours into making a biography of my cleaning lady, but the fact that I spent a lot of effort on it is not an argument to keep her bio, because it is not a policy-based argument. Please see above, please read the links to guidelines and policies that I have placed on your talk page. And please everybody, remember that AfD is not a vote, your arguments must be policy-based, otherwise they will be ignored. --Randykitty (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Passes WP:LISTN because external sources exist which compile such facts about prime ministers. For example, see Facts about the British prime ministers, Amazing & Extraordinary Facts - Prime Ministers;British Prime Ministers and Democracy.  There is perhaps scope for merger with other such lists, consolidating them into a sortable table and it seems quite reasonable that we should have a list of PMs with summary biographical data, such as their birth date and place.  Also note that there are extensive variations in the lists for other similar offices such as the US presidency.  For example, see the Lists of presidents such as List of Presidents of the United States by date of birth. Andrew D. (talk) 22:52, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: All the info for which you give sources is already present in List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom. The weird things in the current list (i.e., born before their spouse and other such cruft) is of course not in that (featured) list and not sourced by the links you provide. --Randykitty (talk) 09:11, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, information about the date and place of birth of the PMs is in those sources but is not in the rival list. My !vote stands. Andrew D. (talk) 12:12, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge/redirect to List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom. Some of the data in the first table is useful, but most of nthe article is trivia that should be pruned off.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:36, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom, along with List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom by age and List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom by date of death, as fairly obviously indiscriminate cruft. -  Chrism  would like to hear from you 17:49, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect per above SOXROX (talk) 21:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - At a glance I thought this would be an easy deletion on the basis it was a trivia fork. Upon further review, there is certain functionality that I would hope could be saved in a merge. Carrite (talk) 02:03, 17 August 2015 (UTC)


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