Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Record of Lodoss War episodes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.  (non-administrative closure) –  RyanCross  ( talk ) 01:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Record of Lodoss War episodes

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Simple plot summaries only, no references. Details have been "coming soon" since March 2007. Delete Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 11:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NOEFFORT, afd is not cleanup, and episode lists are long-established valid form of spinoff. If it bothers you so, feel free to edit the article. 208.245.87.2 (talk) 12:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Referenced episode lists are valid. Not cruft like this. Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 14:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See also WP:ITSCRUFT. Again, afd is not cleanup, feel free to add references if it bothers you so. 208.245.87.2 (talk) 15:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Per official policy, being incomplete is not a wikicrime, nor is needing cleanup. A check on the main page finds links that readily verify most of the basic facts of the list, except for the events of the episodes which per WP:WAF implicitly reference the episodes themselves -- and these are trivial to copy over. Per common consensus, a list of episodes is a standard spinout from a notable series, especially when (as here) the original article. Keep and remand to the relevant wikiproject's cleanup team for scrubbing. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * weak keep or merge as some of this can be verified by watching the show. needs alot of clean up though... 99.251.171.248 (talk) 16:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep So, you've had since March 2007 to do some trimming, make a table, find some airdates and google some easy-to-find references, but instead of doing that half-hour of work you opted to do nothing and make an AfD case? Pfft. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 16:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per everyone above. I can think of a recent AfD where the article was nominated for basically the same reasons - it had needed cleanup for forever and a day, and the nom felt it would be more worthwhile to just start an AfD than to do some rudimentary cleanup and list the article with the relevant wikiproject for further work. On a related note, I marked the Lodoss War episode list as needing urgent attention, so someone from our project should get around to it eventually. — Dino guy  1000  18:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Hobit (talk) 21:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete It's a list. It's unreferenced. It's been unreferenced for a long time. It doesn't belong here. The people who create articles have at least SOME responsibility to source them. You vote keep. Are you souring it? No? Then don't tell me to do so. Fails WP:COMPLETECRUFT and we all know that WP:ANIME 's cleanup department has a backlog that won't ever get worked through. -- Logical Premise Ergo? 21:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Is there a policy-based reason for deletion in there? Do you feel it doesn't meet WP:N? Hobit (talk) 21:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * We know that, do we? I knocked two articles off the cleanup group's list today. The list is growing only because the assessment team is actively going through everything in the project scope and compiling a centralized list so the cleanup gang can scrub 'em. (But anyway, what some of the keeps above are doing is pointing WP:BEFORE at the nominator, as there's no sign that it has been honored.) —Quasirandom (talk) 22:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Since when did we have a WP:DEADLINE? I note, with some interest, that you don't have a link to this alleged WP:COMPLETECRUFT.  <--- NOTE THE COLOR OF THAT LINK.  You vote delete.  Are YOU sourcing it?  No?  Then don't tell me what to do.  BTW, did you know that there's an entire wikiproject for lists?  That there are even FEATURED lists?  Your position is pretty solidly in a minority. 76.116.247.15 (talk) 22:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you enjoy that little histrionic outburst? Mm? First of all, WP:ANIME has been jacked up since it was founded. I can bring up all the Gundam stuff was sworn up AND down that would be sourced that didn't get sourced and got the axe. As for this? If this was a list of articles, if it was a list of plot descriptions, hell, if it had more than ONE source indpendant of a cartoon guide besides than encyclopedia, I'd be all for keeping it. Right now? It's a list. Go look at Featured Lists, and figure out what a good list needs. You say keep? Keep away. In a year, when it's unreferenced and unimproved, it goes to AfD again. I'm all for eventualism, but a list like this cannot be encyclopedic. Vote however you like. -- Logical Premise Ergo? 03:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I take it you haven't looked at the list in question today ... —Quasirandom (talk) 16:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, but needs major cleanup. Having a list of episodes is not really an issue. Why does this list of episodes follow the style it currently has and not the style of all of the other episode lists of other anime? Odd. -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 01:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Could be as simple as the creator wasn't aware of the "proper" style. 76.116.247.15 (talk) 01:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I note that per policy, editors don't need to follow style, just do whatever they can. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Just something that needs to be done in cleanup, that's all. -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 05:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Procedural Keep AfD is not clean-up. JuJube (talk) 10:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The page needs condensed, reformatted, and finished, but there's no reason to delete a page for being currently lousy when the page would just have to be recreated later. Also, there are no RS concerns with plot summaries. --erachima talk 19:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. The only things wrong with this list is that it is poorly organized, has an insufficient lead, needs to be reformatted to conform to standard episode list formatting, and the episode summaries need to be trimmed down to 150 to 200 words or so. The source for the summaries actually does not need to be cited as it can be assumed to be sourced to the episodes themselves (WP:COMMON SENSE). --Farix (Talk) 14:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, list needs some clean up, for sure, and those plot summaries need a complete re-write, but that is no reason to delete a valid episode list that is now referenced. A simple note at the Anime and manga project could have taken care of the need for work, which isn't the purpose of AfD at all. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 17:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep for all the reasons given above. There is no legitimate reason offered for deletion. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep An article needing cleanup is not a valid reason for deletion. Edward321 (talk) 00:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


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