Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Recorders of Penang, Singapore and Malacca


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The result was speedy keep. I am withdrawing this; Find bruce's sources and some additional research of my own have convinced me that this is a reasonable list. (non-admin closure) AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 13:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

List of Recorders of Penang, Singapore and Malacca

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There may be a rationale for delimiting this list to cover all and only recorders of Penang, Malacca, and Singapore from 1808 to 1867, but I don't see it. All of these places were part of the Straits Settlements, but there were other colonies in the Straits Settlements. And 1808 doesn't seem to be a significant date in the history of any of these places, unless the position of recorder was inaugurated then (a fact not alluded to in the article). This says that a British colonial court opened in Penang on 31 May 1808, presided over by a recorder, but this says that a unified court for Penang, Malacca, and Singapore didn't exist until 27 November 1826, pursuant to the Second Charter of Justice (an article that now goes on my list to create). All in all, I'm quite confused and think this list fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:NLIST. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep No valid reason given to delete this. The first reference is to https://www.supremecourt.gov.sg/who-we-are/the-supreme-court-bench/judges-of-the-past which list the first one is 1808.  If you have information of them existing before in any of these areas, and that the official government website keeping track of this is somehow in error, please present it.  This is a valid navigational list, it linking to those who have been grouped in a logical manner.   D r e a m Focus  04:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as meeting at least 3 criteria for a list (1) the list itself is notable, having been identified as a group or set by reliable sources  both of which adopt the same selection criteria as this list. A further source  is likely to confirm, but I don't have access to that ATM (2) It is a "Short, complete list of every item that is verifiably a member of the group" where most are independently notable. For whatever reason, a recorder wasn't appointed to any of the other parts of the Straits Settlements. (3) as a list of X of Y it is a valid navigational list, as Dream Focus says, assisting in the related purpose of development for missing articles and further developing existing biographies. Any perceived deficiencies in the current article are irrelevant for the purposes of notability but can be raised at the articles talk page. --Find bruce (talk) 09:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , can you help me understand what the relevant group is? Is it something like "chief British colonial justices in the Straits Settlements before 1867, when the position of chief justice of the Straits Settlements became the highest judicial position in the Straits Settlements"? The sources you provided are helpful, but they don't explain why this group is treated as a group. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 12:55, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


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