Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Roman emperors born on the territory of Republic of Serbia


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The result was   Speedy delete g7, author request. NawlinWiki (talk) 18:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Roman emperors born on the territory of Republic of Serbia

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This is a typical WP:FORK article which is intended to replace Illyrian emperors. The author is trying to bring it to DYK, but there are several issues. First of all there was no Serbia 2000 years ago and there were no Serbians either. The emperors were Illyrian, or some of the were Moesian, and ties between Moesians and Illyrians are disputed. Second the places where several of the Illyrian emperors are completely unknown. Third the list is completely useless and irrelevant.  S ulmues (talk) 15:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - even if Sulmues' comments are ignored, there still remains the fact that the idea of such an article is simply silly. List of Roman emperors born on the territory of Republic of Serbia?! How about a List of French writers born on the territory of the Second Spanish Republic? Surtsicna (talk) 16:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What would be so wrong with having a List of French writers born on the territory of the Second Spanish Republic? Such an article would provide an internal link with which to support a statement like "two-thirds of French writers were born on the territory of the Second Spanish Republic... or some such. Chrisrus (talk) 16:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be trivial and irrelevant? Surtsicna (talk) 16:35, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't "List of Klingon Battle Cruisers" also be as such? How about List of all mainbelt asteroids?  Who are we to judge?  It might be important to Serbian people.  But you are right about on other grounds, I think, it's deceptive to imply that Serbs had anything to do with those emperors. Chrisrus (talk) 17:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Treir birth palaces and town are located in present day Serbia. It seems that Serbia is important to this emperors. -- WhiteWriter speaks
 * Yes, such lists would be trivial and irrelevant. That's why Wikipedia doesn't have them. Anyway, we seem to agree that a list of Roman emperors born on a piece of land that happens to be a part of the Republic of Serbia 1000 years after their birth is unneccessary. Do we? WhiteWriter: Serbia was "important to this emperors"? Huh? First of all, the Republic of Serbia is a land they never heard of. Secondly, none of them chose to be born on a piece of land that would be part of the Republic of Serbia 1000 years later. Thus, it can't have been important to them in any way. Surtsicna (talk) 18:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete as a list defined by the intersection of two essentially unrelated features. For categories we have an explicit rule against that particular kind of nonsense, see WP:OCTrivial. I am not sure where to look for that kind of rule for lists. It may be unwritten, but it is sound. We don't need this list any more than we need List of Roman Emperors who died on what would later become the territory of the Osman Empire. It simply makes no sense other than for making Serbia appear grand. I am sure that this is a grand country in many respects, but it doesn't need such a silly list to support that fact. Hans Adler 16:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fork article, anachronistic, list by a trivial attribute. Resolute 16:31, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete it's not a fork but it is trivial and it's title is anachronistic.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 16:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete unnecessary trivial fork; anything useful here should go to Chris! c / t 17:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Most of those are not Ilyrian emperors, Serbia is in the place of the Moesia mostly now, so... -- WhiteWriter speaks 17:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, as a non-expert, my merge proposal may not be a good idea.— Chris! c / t 18:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Article is well sourced, interesting, and encyclopedic. Serbian government have tourist tours. exhibitions, scientific scholars regarding this subject, and Serbia have the second largest number of Roman emperors from one present day country, after Italy itself. Those are strong important facts that should keep this article. -- WhiteWriter speaks 17:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Neither Italy nor Serbia existed during the Roman era. So, I don't understand the connection. Also WP:INTERESTING is not a good argument.— Chris! c / t 18:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete irrelevant and anachronistic conjunction. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.