Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Romanian football club owners


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. One editor has presented sources which may satisfy GNG. However, despite a relist to attempt to discuss these. That has not happened and the consensus as it stands is to delete. If any editor feels they alcan use the sources here to create an article which will satisfy GNG, I am happy to restorecthe article to draft space to all of further work. Fenix down (talk) 22:26, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

List of Romanian football club owners

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Page has not been updated in 10 years 8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 15:27, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment - as per WP:NEGLECT, the page not being updated for 10 years is not a valid reason to delete it. If the topic itself does not meet WP:LISTN or WP:GNG then that would certainly be grounds for deletion. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:45, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete - non-notable list, fails GNG/LISTCRUFT. GiantSnowman 18:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP. This list is focused on mostly unsourced claims about the extent of various people's wealth. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:18, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for the reasons above: firstly, it fails WP:NLIST and WP:GNG, and secondly it has BLP implications/violations for unsourced claims of people's wealth. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete list craft, complete WP:OR. Govvy (talk) 11:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:30, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: No significant Coverage found and not pass general notability guidelines. TheDreamBoat (talk) 08:40, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Can you tell me where you looked to come to such a strong conclusion that there's no coverage? (See links below). Did you consider the fact that the sources may be concentrated in another language? 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:B41E:E3B5:F7E4:45F9 (talk) 17:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Strongest possible keep So should List of owners of English football clubs be deleted as well? That page has an outdated tag from three years ago, so it's outdated like this one. Though its patchy wealth figures are all sourced, some of the owners/sources of wealth are not, so that's against WP:BLP and WP:OR according to your own rules. Then as for WP:GNG and WP:CRUFT, can anyone actually write in Romanian and search for whether there is coverage of football owners in that country? Have you even looked for evidence before saying there are no sources? I put the keywords into Google translate and got this from Romania's main sports website, so to say that nobody has ever listed or compared Romanian football owners is quite frankly a ridiculous thing to say, and forgive me for sounding like an SJW but it's privilege and entitlement to assume something doesn't exist because sources aren't available in your language. There's absolutely no reason to delete this article: being outdated, unsourced or generally under quality is not a reason. Here are more sources, though you probably don't care as it's not BBC.   Try "patroni fotbal romania" in your Google search if you can even be bothered. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:B41E:E3B5:F7E4:45F9 (talk) 17:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That English article is actually up to date if you look at it. as far as the teams being listed in their current divisions after the most recent promotions (so bolton in league one and so forth)Muur (talk) 18:08, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Also, the fact this article doesn't source the wealth is a severe BLP violation, something which is not present on the English article. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:43, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not an argument, just remove the column about the wealth then? If I added a column on the English one which was contentious and unsourced, would you remove the column or nominate the page for deletion? I think we all know. The basic thing here is that nobody has backed up their word that there are no sources which concentrate on owners of Romanian football clubs, and are instead throwing out any WP:RELEVANTACRONYM to delete the page for no reason. This is like citing prior case law to prosecute someone when we haven't even established whether he was at the crime scene to start with. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:D93D:C09F:D05F:7568 (talk) 18:46, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Only one of the owners is sourced, and only two of the net worths. By that logic, we should remove everything else but keep the article?! Joseph<b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've never seen BLP be proposed as a policy to delete a whole non-BLP article unless the page concerned crime, sexuality, religion - certainly not net worths or sources of income. While we're here, let's detonate 99% of season articles (example 2020–21 Super League Greece) where the managers, captains and sackings aren't sourced. Heck, is there a policy on trademark infringement because we could bring that up to delete the page because the sponsorships aren't sourced and could indicate an endorsement that doesn't exist. Has anyone ever read WP:AFDBEFORE, if pages could be deleted just for looking shoddy, then very little of this website would remain. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:A013:85F5:415E:5865 (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: General consensus to delete but late addition of new sources requires further discussion.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 22:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If this is kept it should be moved to List of owners of Romanian football clubs to remove the ambiguity in the current title - it is not clear from it whether the clubs or the owners are Romanian. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:41, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually thought it meant Romanians that own football clubs and initially though "why does that matter?" lmao.Muur (talk) 16:20, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.