Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Roundabouts in Billings, Montana


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was '''Delete. Good intentions on the part of the creator, but not really notable enough for an article.' Grutness...wha? '' 02:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

List of Roundabouts in Billings, Montana

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Totally non-notable. Scarcely even worth a mention in the Billings, Montana article. Apparentlythey will more than treble the number of roundabouts in the whole of Montana but it still don't make them notable. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 05:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh man, I really should get around to writing list of transsexual graphic artists living in the closet, list of men with dyed red beards, List of boats in Anchorage... zzz! Unless these are all super-notable roundabouts, I say delete. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 05:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, yes let us delete them too! Punkmorten (talk) 09:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sets a new standard for non-notability. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  09:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, no reason to have this. Punkmorten (talk) 09:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. Personally I'd be happy to list these articles for deletion too - possibly bundled here. What do others think? But at least these articles have the advantage of being about roundabouts that actually exist, rather than being in the planning stages for possible appearance in 2010. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  09:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Wolfdog, you need to learn to create links! What is worse, the two list articles link to lots of articles about individual roundabouts. At least this side of the pond we restrict ourselves (I think) to interesting roundabouts such as those in Hemel Hempstead and Swindon. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 10:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No, you blanked the page. I have restored it while this discussion continues. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  10:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Not only does the probe the depths of notability, it could now be speedy deleted under WP:CSD as the original author blanked the page and few other editors have contributed substantially to the article. Pedro : Chat  10:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Unnecessary (and yes I'd support the deletion of the other traffic circle/roundabout articles cited, too. Go ahead an nominate them). If there's some reason why the presence of roundabouts in Billings is notable, this can either be covered by a subsection of the article on the city or, if there's enough to write about and enough sources, maybe as part of an article on Billings' transportation infrastructure. 23skidoo (talk) 18:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable and not necessary. Need I say more? 1ForTheMoney (talk) 19:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If the Shiloh Road project were notable, it might deserve its own article, but I can't really get excited about a local road project. Delete this article, and let's not have a long distance runaround about this AFD.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - almost worthy of WP:DAFTing (probably not quite, though Elkman would probably consider it close to the edge of that page). Grutness...wha?  00:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete- But I would like to see an article of the list of men with dyed red beards driving around Roundabouts in Billings, Montana, now that would be notabley worthy Stavros1 (talk) 04:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I had better not! all the inclusionists would probably vote to keep it, then we'd be in a jam -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 04:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest you try to calm down. No-one is saying that you do not love your city, every bit as much as any one of us loves the cities where we live. However, most of us would never consider that writing an article on the roundabouts within those cities would make for a worthwhile article. There are a tiny minority of roundabouts worldwide which are worthy of articles - a couple of them are pointed out by RHaworth above. The rest are unremarkable and non-notable, and ceratinly do not deserve articles. Neither to lists of such roundabouts. I would suggest you have a look at the official Wikipedia policy page WP:NOT, especially the sections "Wikipedia is not a directory" and "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information". Your article is covered by both of those headings. To many wikipedians, the title of such an article is somewhat ludicrous, hence the comparisons to other article titles which would make for eqully ludicrous articles. No-one is insulting you or your town, just pointing out how unencyclopedic the article is, and how far away from Wikipedia policy it would remain even if every roundabout in Billings were to be listed. Grutness...wha?  04:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply to Grutness.....I know but can we just delete the article and move on. I have better things to do and I bet everyone else here does. And I see others like the List of traffic circles in New Jersey and in DC. I don't know about those or what's being done but I could care less I suppose. But that's where I got the idea to start this article in the first place. The truth is I have not been employed (since 2005) or contributing anything in the real world right now. The world's a stage and we must play a part and I believe that. I didn't become a Wikipedian a year ago to argue with people or to create ludicrous articles. I fell like The Librarian is telling me I'm an idiot for writing this article when I see similar articles on here. If what I wrote is not up to certain standards for Wikipedia that's fine then, delete it, won't hurt my feeling but saying I'm an idiot for writing it does. This is a real human being behind this keyboard. I learn things much better visually than reading and that's in general, not just here. I'm beginning feel like the villain here and I'm not and I know no one said that but I feel that.--Wolfdog1 (talk) 04:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Can we all try and remember the spirit of WP:BITE and WP:AGF here and try and retain this editor. Wolfdog1 has not done anything wrong and we can just wrap this up without further frustration. Thanks. Pedro :  Chat  11:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * To spare Wolfdog1 further frustration, and given that the discussion here has not been materially added to recently, can I plead for someone with the admin buttons to close this AfD now? Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  21:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I will, though I generally try to avoid closing afds I've been party to. Grutness...wha?  02:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.