Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Sabrina Carpenter live performances


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. If you need something to merge, just let me know. Missvain (talk) 22:55, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

List of Sabrina Carpenter live performances

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This is a summarization of many other articles - the tours already have their own articles, both headlines, and support. The TV performances also included in the articles of the songs she performed. Henceforth, the information on this page is covered/duplicated elsewhere and doesn't meet the notability standard for inclusion like this. The information here is backed by Twitter, fan sites, facebook and other unreliable sources such as headline planet sources. This is just fancruft and nothing else. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * WP:SMERGE to Sabrina Carpenter, which can easily incorporate the annotated tables and the rest could probably be trimmed; that section currently just contains a bare list. I'd caution the nom against these repeated boilerplate copy-and-paste nominations, as it suggests that they are not actually looking carefully at each article and judging its potential as required per WP:BEFORE. Here the headlining tours don't have their own articles, the bluelinks instead redirect to this list (and have for at least two years), so the nomination rests on an incorrect assertion that should have been very easy to discover. Also, as noted in a related AFD by the same nom, even if it were true that the listed tours had their own articles, the whole point of such a list is to provide an overview of a related group in one place, so saying "you can find this information by clicking in and out of a dozen separate articles" is no argument for deletion. I don't see that the state of current sourcing is relevant here either, certainly information about a tour conducted by a notable performer is verifiable. But the nom does not address potential as they must in an AFD, just what they are seeing at present. postdlf (talk) 18:14, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but the tours have a list of their in a page, they are not indivdual articles, but they exist and unlike you mention they are not a redirect. It goes into this page List of Sabrina Carpenter concert tours, they don't redirect to the article for AFD. They would be easy to find as it already exists an article with all the tours. No, the point of this list is just fancruft, it looks like a stalker page to be honest. Go ahead dig for the sources. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * My bad, I did miss that those redirected to a different page. Your nom would have been better to focus on that (and to link to it). I don’t think that changes my overall analysis and I still think the outcome I urged is the best however. postdlf (talk) 13:49, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I do agree to some extend, these articles are quite uncessary from my POV. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep or Merge per the many reasons I provided for keeping the live performances article of a way bigger artist. I'm saying Weak Keep, however, because Sabrina has had less time in the spotlight than Gaga and Swfit, and thus she has had far less performances at significant events to list. There are also more local radio performances listed here, which I would legitimately argue would fall moreso into the line of being WP:INDISCRIMINATE than the more significant performances listed in both Gaga and Swift's lists. We really need some sort of guideline or consensus on what is considered fancruft with live performances, because (and this is just my perspective and I don't mean to strawman anyone's arguments) users are just throwing the term "fancruft" around or are bowing their heads to more experienced users on what is fancruft or not without questioning anything, even knowing what readers are interested in a topic, or how significant the items in a list article are. WP:WHOCARES is an argument to avoid in a deletion discussion, after all. I know users' comments in discussions like these are biased and opinionated to an extent, but we're getting overly-subjective with our decisions when it comes to debates on supposed fancruft articles. 👨x🐱 (talk) 15:27, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kichu🐘 Need any help? 23:52, 25 April 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - I don't see there's much to gain from merging this content. Evaline Nakano (talk) 22:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Just not notable, it’s a list of work. Star7924 (talk) 14:52, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:16, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. I think what received coverage is already noted elsewhere and this list is a bit duplicative. For example, all information regarding the tours is available at List of Sabrina Carpenter concert tours (which is a list), and opening acts/festivals is briefly covered at Sabrina Carpenter. Heartfox (talk) 23:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


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