Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of San Diego Padres no-hitters (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Major League Baseball no-hitters. There is certainly no consensus to keep this.

However, there is a split between merging to List of San Diego Padres team records and redirect to List of Major League Baseball no-hitters as an WP:ATD.

Number-wise, redirection is at a slight advantage. Reading the elaboration of merge !votes (only one has it), those !votes should read more like "merge to preserve the information somewhere", so they would be compatible to a redirect to a list article with the information already. In addition, after the first redirect suggestion, no more merge suggestions have appeared, so it looks like redirection is the better WP:ATD when one is given the choice between merging and redirection.

If the information on the target article is moved, the redirection target can certainly be changed. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 08:41, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

List of San Diego Padres no-hitters
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Per Articles for deletion/List of Tampa Bay Rays no-hitters, a list of one item is deemed not worthy of a stand-alone article. Canuck 89 (Speak with me) 03:19, April 10, 2021 (UTC) 03:19, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:LISTN, as one item is neither a group nor set.—Bagumba (talk) 03:47, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of San Diego Padres team records. Seems logical to me to keep this around somewhere, but a one-item list is not a proper list. Hog Farm Talk 04:51, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per Hog Farm. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete. One list entry is not a list. Ajf773 (talk) 10:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per Hog Farm. SportingFlyer  T · C  12:19, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment re: potential merge Appreciate attempt to WP:PRESERVE, but merging to List of San Diego Padres team records is awkward. What is the record?  A convoluted "Fewest hits allowed, complete game"? Even if the record is listed, it's trivial to merge in the current table, when only the record holder, Musgrove, is relevant.  No similar precedent with List of Tampa Bay Rays no-hitters or any of the other similar page deleted in the last RfD.—Bagumba (talk) 15:19, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment This page is unsourced, and not worth merging. It seems to me useful prose should be placed at History of the San Diego Padres, where the prior drought can be put in context and the near misses mentioned. Some history is in this New York Times article. Or just create San Diego Padres no-hitters, not a list.—Bagumba (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List_of_Major_League_Baseball_no-hitters -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List_of_Major_League_Baseball_no-hitters, where it is already covered. The merge, while a good suggestion, is not necessary since the information already exists elsewhere.  No need for a single entry list.  Onel 5969  TT me 19:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems undue that there is a dedicated section List_of_Major_League_Baseball_no-hitters, where San Diego is a subsection. Why single out teams with only one no-hitter when the the general MLB list is already sortable by team?—Bagumba (talk) 01:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , feel free to raise that issue on the talk page for that article. This AfD is not the appropriate venue for that. If the information is going to be there, I think a redirect is appropriate. Smartyllama (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Major League Baseball no-hitters, where that information already appears. If people think that information violates WP:UNDUE, they can take it up at the talk page for that article, not at this AfD. If the information is going to stay there, this should redirect there (as is done for the Rays page the nominator referred to.) (edit: that parenthetical part is incorrect, the template of no-hitters by team links to that page directly. This does not change my opinion.) If consensus at that article is to delete the information, I would reconsider my !vote but this is not the appropriate venue to discuss that, and if it's there, a redirect is appropriate. Smartyllama (talk) 20:25, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Page is standard for MLB franchises and will grow in time. Sources should be added, but feels unproductive to delete in light of other similar pages that clearly meet the standard. Baseballtom (talk) 16:37, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Although you are confident it will "grow in time", it took over 50 years for the Padres to record their first no-hitter, who's to say it won't take as long for a second to occur, leaving this as a list of one item for decades.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete- Fails LISTN. Although we shouldn't even need to cite policy for this one, one entry is not a list by definition.--Rusf10 (talk) 21:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Major League Baseball no-hitters. I'm pleased for them. But it's still a list of one. --Jameboy (talk) 18:20, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.