Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Shia Muslims (2nd nomination)


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The result was Snow Keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 19:08, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

List of Shia Muslims
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INCREDIBLE load of OR and POV with ZERO precedence on Wikipedia. Do we put every notable Shi'ite in there? I would imagine not, unless of course we are going to make a list of like ten or twelve thousand names. A quick look at Lists of Jews shows that such lists should only act as "Lists of lists", i.e. they should be giving information about all other lists of certain people that exist. Therefore I am nominating this for deletion as the category Shia muslims already exists FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 13:53, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:34, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:34, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY, likely even a WP:G4 Speedy delete (result of previous AfD was "delete"). This is one of those instances where a category is more appropriate. A Shi'ite can be anyone of an estimated 130 to 190 million Shia Muslims. A "list of Shia Muslims" is just too vague, may include pretty much any Muslim from Iraq/Iran and is a perfect example of point 6 of WP:DOAL: Some topics (e.g. a list of all people from a particular country who have Wikipedia articles) are so broad that a list would be unmanageably long and effectively unmaintainable. Also note that the creator of the article was blocked for socking. - HyperGaruda (talk) 15:08, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way: there's already a Lists of Muslims. - HyperGaruda (talk) 15:14, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Revoking my vote, among others per below Keep rationales. There seem to be lots of —IMO way too— unspecific navigational lists, for example the sub-lists in Lists of Americans. Although these lists (not the individual entries) will almost always fail "significant coverage in reliable sources", their extensive use requires a community-wide verdict about whether or not they should be exempted from GNG. - HyperGaruda (talk) 07:44, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reconsidering. Incidentally, the first two sentences of WP:NOTDIR are key here. postdlf (talk) 00:29, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Lists of Jews also has an extensive set of links to Lists of individual Jews, grouped a variety of reasons, including lists that in theory would be every bit as massive as the ones cautioned against above. 'There's XX million of them are we going to list them ALL?' seems to come up every single time a list like this comes up for deletion, and yet WP:LISTPEOPLE offers sensible ways for how such lists are to managed. According to Lists of Muslims this is the only list of Shia Muslim people, far as I can tell, and being Shia or not is obviously a defining distinction. That said, I have no patience for socking and if there is some WP:DENY reason for deleting, I won't stand in the way. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:30, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Shawn in Montreal, and per WP:NOTDUP as complement to Category:Shia Muslims. If this list gets too large, then it can be converted to a list of lists. That calls for development, not deletion. The prior AFD was eight years ago and so few admins would consider it binding enough now to merit speedy deletion; the arguments in that AFD are also contrary to existing list-related guidelines and consensus (and may have been even at the time, I don't know). postdlf (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was my thinking too. If that List of Shia Muslims ever gets problematically big, then that's the time to do precisely the sort of splitting off by List of Fooian Shia Muslims that we see currently with the Lists of Jews by country, occupation, Sephardic, etc. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:27, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep we have dozens of other lists on Wikipedia such as List of Jews and List of Ahmadis. Should they be deleted aswell? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.251.121 (talk • contribs)
 * Keep, the list of e.g. theologians is obviously necessary. Not so sure about sections like "entertainment and media personalities" however. Siuenti (talk) 22:23, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep precedents already cited above.Trinacrialucente (talk) 06:31, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep The article is under category of Lists of people by ethnicity. Saff V. (talk) 09:49, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - bad faith nomination by user based on other recent AfDs created —Мандичка YO 😜 09:52, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


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