Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Shortland Street cast members


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus for deletion. Please take further redirect and merge discussions to the talk page of the article. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Shortland Street cast members

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Totally random. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list of information. Kariteh 21:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.   -- Bduke 23:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is what categories are for. --Sbluen 00:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP is not a directory Corpx 01:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep this is NOT what categories are for. Over at CFD we spent months working on getting all the cast member categories listified.  During discussions, we assured the people who maintained the categories that no information would be destroyed when the categories were removed and more detailed information could be added to the lists.  PLEASE! don't delete these lists.  If you do, people will start recreating the categories.  This information makes much more sense as a list than as a category.  I think it is impractical to say that cast lists should not have any home on Wikipedia.  People will continue to add this information faster than we can remove it.  Let it exist on lists.  That is the most appropriate form this information can take. -- &#x2611; Sam uelWantman 06:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So, this stubby, random directory list should exist because there is a risk that people will create some inappropriate category elsewhere? I didn't know that it's how Wikipedia functions. If a category exists and shouldn't, it has to be deleted, that's all. Just because it can be tedious to do it repeatedly doesn't mean we have to violate WP:NOT and create a random directory list just to avoid this problem. Kariteh 08:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete There is already a list of major & recurring characters in the main article for the show. This list adds no real value. JulesH 08:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - As the information exists elsewhere, I see no reason why this page should not be deleted. However, I very strongly oppose turning this back into a category.  See Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 25.  Using categories for cast members became a nightmare, as actors may perform in up to one hundred films and TV shows during their careers.  The resulting block of category links at the bottoms of the articles for some actors became very difficult to read and use for navigation.  Turning these lists back into categories would be highly disruptive.  Dr. Submillimeter 08:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Please do not re-categorize. This is creating a vicious circle for information that should probably be included anyway. Circeus 09:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Do not categorize Cast lists should almost never be done as categories. Leave either as a list article or merge the cast list into the main article for the show. See WP:OCAT for why cast lists should not be done as categories. Dugwiki 16:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge and redirect to the show article or a list of show characters. Since all-capital-letter links to a particular essay and certain policies seem to be all the rage right now in WP:AfD, let me say that WP:JUSTAPOLICY is no more a valid argument than WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Simply stating that something is an "indiscriminate list" or a "directory" does not make it so. Nobody has presented any valid argument as to why a WP:LIST of WP:NOTABLE cast members in a WP:NOTABLE television show, which is WP:VERIFIABLE and WP:ATTributable to WP:ReliableSources, is WP:NPOV and not WP:ORiginal research, would be considered an "indiscriminate list" or a "directory". A cast list is a well-defined, finite, list, which is a perfectly valid criteria meeting the WP:LIST guidelines, as typically television actors are notable for the very reason of being in certain notable television shows. And cast categories are usually not appopriate for the very good reasons given in WP:OCAT. DHowell 02:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * merge and redirect - article provides zero information, except that the person was a cast member on at least one show. It is therefore not encyclopedic; and any encyclopedic treatment you could provide for this list would be better off appearing in the main article (e.g. as a "cast" section for regular cast, and under a "trivia" section for special appearances). Also do not categorize, to respect the wishes of editors above. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 17:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * comment - see Notable actors in Coronation Street for an example of how a "list of actors" can approach the state of an encyclopedic article. It's not great, but it's certainly more than a simple list of names. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 18:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.