Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Shortland Street episodes (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I can't see a valid rebuttal against the indiscriminate and unmaintainable argument Spartaz Humbug! 08:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

List of Shortland Street episodes
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Indiscriminate and incomplete list of a series spanning 18 years and over 4000 episodes. For what content exists, there are just basic TV guide plot summaries. WP:NOR and covered already in plenty of Shortland Street fansites. Ajf773 (talk) 19:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 19:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 19:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 19:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)


 * KEEP Being incomplete is never a valid reason to delete something. Nor is its size.  All notable shows have articles for episode lists.  It is not indiscriminate because obviously it has a set requirement, must be an episode on that television show.   D r e a m Focus  07:04, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No they don't. Long running soaps such as Eastenders, Coronation Street, Neighbours, Home and Away, etc, do not have any episode lists. Episode lists are standard for shows where there is a limited number of episodes spanning a few seasons. The amount of original research used to try to justify one of this nature is all the more reason why it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Ajf773 (talk) 08:15, 18 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: The above examples Ajf773 has provided of other soaps aren't to me sufficient as they are not even WP:GA. I'd like to see an example of a GA/FA soap article to see how they do stuff. From what I can tell, there are very limited, if any, real GA+ soap articles, so we can't base the fact that these others don't have episode lists to any term of standard. I will point out however, that the maintainers of this article have incorrectly used the episode template and are showing the airdates as episode names, and are unnecessary using Aux1 and Aux2 instead of the correct parameter names. --Gonnym (talk) 16:55, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * While writing my comment and looking at the article, regardless if it should be deleted or kept, it's not ready for mainspace. It has the template issues above, too many empty sections, sections with comments that shouldn't be in an article ("able above needs to be updated."), or a weird season 27 situation. So atm, I'm supporting moving to draft, while I might support deletion if presented with good arguments. --Gonnym (talk) 16:55, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dream Focus and WP:SOFIXIT. We've always held that list of episodes of TV shows are inheritably notable since time immemorial. ミラP 14:19, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in that essay link that states episode lists are always inherently notable. If you want to fix it, then you can volunteer, take it as a draft, but honestly, there's nothing worth fixing. This is fansite material, not encyclopedia material. Ajf773 (talk) 20:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. 6900+ episodes? The Simpsons gets a pass because many (all?) of its episodes have articles and there aren't as many of them, but for long-running soap operas, it doesn't make much sense. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * So does Gunsmoke and they had 635 episodes none of which have articles. ミラP 16:21, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 20:36, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Episode lists are fine as long as only one ep airs per week. But daily soaps? No way. Their story format is one drop per day to keep the audience hooked, and they don't have any artistic ambitions per episode, story- nor development-wise. Listing them all would be INDISCRIMINATE. – sgeureka t•c 22:14, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


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