Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Sindhi singers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. List is in need of some cleanup, however. lifebaka++ 15:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

List of Sindhi singers

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Vast majority of people listed here are not notable in the least. A category would suffice for this. Article fails to assert notability for even Sindhi music. "Sindhi Kallam (song) is very famous in Pakistan and some areas in India. There are unlimited names of Sindhi singers, some have left this world and many are performing well. Names of almost all Sindhi singer are given bellow."  Enigma  message 12:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
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 * Keep This is apparently based on a biographic directory Maro Je Malir Ja. Probably not all of them will be notable, but many of them will. The list can be edited accordingly. This, as all such lists, can be expanded to provide some context, such as dates, making it more useful than a category. Sindhi is spoken by 53 million people, according to Sindhi language, and would be expected to have as many notable singers as any comparable linguistic or geographic area (Great Britain has almost exactly the same population. The deceased ones will not be the less notable. We must beware ethnocentrism, and adopt a world-wide view. I suggest the numerous other singer categories would also make useful lists, if dates were added. DGG (talk) 23:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The very few which do have their own articles could be grouped as a category, but as it stands this is just a non-notable red link farm.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 04:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nabla (talk) 17:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - DGG has got it right again -- There are clearly notable Sindhi singers (they have WP articles) and I suspect many of the red links are notable as well, they just need sourcing. If there is no article or an editor cannot source a particular entry it can be removed. Add a few annotations and remarks and this list meets WP guidelines.  The WP:NOTDIRECTORY guideline gets thrown around like mud (see if it sticks) but rarely do we hear any cogent argument as to why the article is merely a directory and should be deleted. This is a list of notable Sindhi singers (or will be when properly sourced) and is not a directory of indiscriminate information.--Mike Cline (talk) 19:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Out of that entire list, seven have articles. I don't see why a category wouldn't be a better idea.  Enigma  message 06:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Please check it again.--Mangrio (talk) 13:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per DGG. Lists and categories both address different ways to access our information, and just because we have one doesn't imply we shouldn't have the other.  The argument "why shouldn't there be a category?" is not the same argument as "there shouldn't be a list", even though it's being treated as such.  Ford MF (talk) 18:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete, gives nothing more than a category would (besides red-links for persons not notable enough to merit an article). Ian ¹³  /t  15:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Red links are for persons who are notable enough to merit an article - the articles simply haven't been written yet. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong keep Especially because of redlinks, which a category could not handle. According to our article Sindhi people, there are over 60 million Sindhis! It is much more likely that these singers are notable but just harder to locate information on, because it is in Sindhi or Urdu (which use non-Latin alphabets, so googling is not easy). We should celebrate that someone is helping us fill this gap in our coverage, not threatening to delete the article. Redlinks are not bad--they show us where work needs to be done. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yet another AfD where some participants don't get the point that categories and lists are not mutually exclusive. In this case it's pretty clear that a category can't do the same job as the list because of the number of notable singers who don't yet have articles. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


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