Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Sly Cooper characters (2nd nomination)


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The result was redirect to Sly Cooper. postdlf (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

List of Sly Cooper characters
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Another long, long list of non-notable characters from a video game series, written from an in-universe style. Unsourced. A quick search on the custom WP:VG/RS Google search engine shows very little results. No in-depth coverage, development or reception of the characters. Redirect to Sly Cooper. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 18:09, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge There are really only four principle characters that are in the series, the rest nearly all one-shots that can be briefly mentioned in the specific games. These characters can be easily summarized on the series page. --M ASEM (t) 18:13, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect per nom. 831⁄2k of unsourced prose... incredible. Like all other articles, there are no sourced claims to independent notability of the character set here. Cover it in the character section of its parent article and expand summary style. Can always merge from the page history as needed. czar  18:27, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  czar  18:27, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:26, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:26, 19 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete or redirect. There's really no need to keep any of the content in a case like this, so either outcome is fine. Without sources to establish overall notability for the topic, there is no need for an article at this time. TTN (talk) 20:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Sly_Cooper. The characters do not appear particularly notable outside of the series, and sourcing is virtually nonexistent. There doesn't appear to be much to merge here, as the major/secondary characters are already covered in that article. —0xF8E8 (talk) 21:48, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect per nom. Aoba47 (talk) 01:07, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as a list of characters from notable fictional franchise. As such, the topic is notable because the parent article is notable.  This is not "inherited" notability, as the list could be appropriately merged into the article... but there's simply no need to do so. Jclemens (talk) 02:41, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Im confused. Your stance is literally the definition of "inherited", and then you end it with "but I'm not talking about it being inherited". Please explain how it's notable, without any third party coverage, without its notability being inherited from the parent article. Sergecross73   msg me  23:08, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Inherited would be The Force Awakens not being automagically notable since Star Wars was. A list of Star Wars: A New Hope characters (ignoring the fact that that's a clearly notable list for purposes of an example) is a subset of the topic 'Star Wars', and per WP:SS could be merged into that article and exist there using its coverage to demonstrate notability.  There's a fundamental difference between "Is an element of..." and "Is a successor to..." and fictional characters lists have the same notability as the works in which they appear, but are simply put into their own lists for readability's sake. Jclemens (talk) 07:44, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Even ignoring the fact that that still sounds an awful lot like splitting hars to avoid an "inherited" issue, there's still issues with your argument. Splitting per WP:SS is recommended upon a particularly large article size. The Sly Cooper parent article is barely at 50K including formatting text, and the character list info, if properly written, would be far far shorter. There's no size reason for this to be split off either. Sergecross73   msg me  13:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect- per nom. It is simply not true that a character list article is automatically notable if the parent work of fiction is. Even if that were so, this article is completely unsourced, chock-a-block full of badly written excessive trivia, and written in an in-universe style. There is no content here that could be conceivably kept in any form. Reyk  YO!  07:34, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect - The characters don't receive coverage themselves. It's almost entirely wikia-style plot rehashing, so I don't even see anything worth merging that isn't already present in the game articles. Sergecross73   msg me  23:08, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete & then redirect to Sly_Cooper. Unreferenced essay and original research, with no secondary sources covering this topic. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:58, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


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