Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of SoundCloud rappers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to SoundCloud rap. Spartaz Humbug! 05:06, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

List of SoundCloud rappers

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Deletion was originally proposed by User:Discospinster because "SoundCloud is a music distribution service, not a label, so there is no particular connection between it and these rappers.". I agree with Discospinster. The template was removed the next day by the user who created this page with edit summary: "SoundCloud rap is a genre of music. Maybe move the article to List of SoundCloud rap artists?". The same user also created:


 * SoundCloud rap
 * Emo rap
 * Black Excellence
 * East Carolina University student riots

Update: I'm also fine with a hard redirect to SoundCloud rap. (which did not yet exist when I started this AfD)

- Alexis Jazz (talk) 03:14, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete No references, no substance, no usefulness, no effort, no notability. No pain, no gain. -The Gnome (talk) 09:31, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 13:34, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 13:34, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - It's worth noting that SoundCloud rap already went to AfD and was kept as meeting GNG. Arguments that this should be deleted because "SoundCloud rap" is not a real/notable subgenre should probably start with contesting that article. Also, why are the other articles listed here unless they're also nominated for deletion? &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 16:31, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Pretty much to give an idea of the amount of effort this user puts into articles. While any article should be judged on its own merits, it's good to have some context. Alexis Jazz (talk) 01:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect Merge selectively, with sources, into SoundCloud rap. Many of these do not have sources in their articles for being called a "SoundCloud rapper" (being a rapper and releasing music on SoundCloud is not the same thing). What few do have such sources can easily just be in the main article. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 16:31, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Updated -- since the list has been copied over, there's nothing to merge. As SoundCloud rap includes a section literally titled "List of SoundCloud rappers" a redirect is logical, and I don't know that there's any reason to delete the history. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 21:17, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - What is there to merge? An unsourced, possibly inaccurate, list? SoundCloud rap does not need a list independent of the main article at this juncture.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 19:52, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I haven't gone through all of them. Certainly if none of the articles on this list have sources that call them a "SoundCloud rapper", then nothing should be merged. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 20:33, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I copied the whole list to SoundCloud rap anyway with an Unreferenced section header. Still needs cleanup but this list article can now be deleted and nothing will be lost. I would be fine with it if all entries that are still unreferenced in a month or so are removed from the list. Alexis Jazz (talk) 01:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Good work. -The Gnome (talk) 06:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete For reasons pointed out above. What next? A wiki article that lists celebrities with Facebook pages? ShelbyMarion (talk) 20:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm. -The Gnome (talk) 09:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Everipedia beat you to it! Alexis Jazz (talk) 01:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete It is high time we made it impossible to create an article lacking any sources. I know too little of rap to have any clue ifthis term is notable, however even if it is, a free standing list is only justified if indepth coverage of lots of practitioners above the level one would epect to find in the base article is justified, and no one has come close to showing this. Especially since musicans can change from genere to genere, especially when dealing with sub-generes, so just because a sub-genere is defined enough for an article does not mean creating works in it creates a coherent group that is worth having a seperate list article for.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:28, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: The very title of this had me laughing, due to the proliferation of internet jokes about "a career as a Soundcloud rapper" and the like. Indeed, John Pack Lambert himself may be a humble Soundcloud rapper, as he rightfully notes that sourcing is really essential for all articles, and his mix tapes have not reached that level yet, but without sourcing no one would know either way.--Milowent • hasspoken  19:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Holy moly, a soundcloud rapper recently went to #1 on the charts? I am a few months behind the times.  My apologies to Lil' JPL420 and all those crews.--Milowent • hasspoken  20:00, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I actually looked into this a bit more. For the record I have never tried to create any rap compilations, and my roles in other form of musical production have never risen above singing in non-audition university chorals and in non-audition church choirs. I once auditioned for a community choir which audition I failed. I have written one or two songs with intended music, but lacked the skill to write the music down, and was never sure if I originated the tunes or had unconsiously borrowed them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:37, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment To return to the matter at hand, I am not sure if it is clear if this merely refers to anyone who has posted works of rap on SoundCloud, or it this article is meant to be limited to those whose rap works are felt to fall within the boundaries of the SounCloud genre, thus excluding those who may have posted rap to SoundCloud but whose work does not fit within the parameters of this genre (I would guess maybe if you rapped without explicit mention of sex, and/or wwithout mentioning narcotics, I remain unclear on weather you need both to fit, can fit with just one or the other, etc.) on the other hand, my second definition would assumably include those who have never in anyway had their work posted to SoundCloud, but are still felt, presumably based on being so identified by reliable sources, to fit in this genre. Until we see evidence that this who categorization is based on reliable sources we need to scrap it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I made the page into a soft redirect because people were working on both the copied list and this article. In the (seemingly unlikely) event that this list is kept the list could be copied back from SoundCloud rap. Alexis Jazz (talk) 02:41, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I reverted that change, see my reasoning . Furthermore, the plain soft redirect template is unused in the mainspace, but that is beside the point in this case. Best regards, — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 01:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to SoundCloud rap, as synonymous, which also invalidates most arguments made for the deletion of this title (but not its content). To clarify, it should be a hard redirect not a soft redirect. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 00:33, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to SoundCloud rap. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with that. Alexis Jazz (talk) 15:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.