Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of South African politicians


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The result was   keep. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 20:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

List of South African politicians

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Corrected and more complete info at Category:South African politicians already. Prod removed without correcting, or adding info not in category. -- Jeandré, 2009-05-24t18:17z 18:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Changing from delete to sourcing and split instead, after DGG and Mandsford's edits. -- Jeandré, 2009-05-29t19:46z
 * Delete. Although lists and categories work together (CLN), as pointed out by a previous contributer, this list is best replaced by more specific lists such as Members of the 4th Western Cape Provincial Parliament, etc. I can't see this list ever becoming complete (in which case it would be overwhelming) or specific enough to be useful. Greenman (talk) 20:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete While I'm not one of those "a category is the only way" people, this doesn't impart any information than a category could, and after more than four years, it never has been anything more than an indiscriminate list.  It's sad that someone went to the trouble of listing "Ken Andrew" as "Andrew, Ken", but couldn't say a few words to tell us who he is.  Nobody is going to go to the trouble of trying to write a little descriptor for each name on the list.  If all we want to see is list of blue links, we can do the cat-subcat dance for that.  Mandsford (talk) 01:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Every category of discrete individual people or objects should have a corresponding list, if people are available to work on it. The list always offers the possibility of adding more information--this one certainly does (date and role). That it does not have this presently means it needs improvement, not deletion. In the time it will take to debate this, a good start could be made towards adding them. That's the sort of thing that will improve the encyclopedia. I just did the first 5 to start off with.  (incidentally, doing this is a check on whether by any chance some are not actually notable) DGG (talk) 01:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * DGG, that doesn't answer the main point. I'd argue that the corresponding categories also need to be broken down into something more useful too. Having people work on less specific lists that won't ever be useful (how would having thousands and thousands of names on this list help?) just dilutes the effort - rather redirect it to more useful, targeted lists. Greenman (talk) 23:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per Greenman. Kiwikibble (talk) 15:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Withdrawing my delete !vote, in that DGG is working on some improvements. The article will stay up at least until May 31.  Those of you who vote keep because it can be improved, consider following DGG's example. Mandsford (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as an obviously notable subject for a list. Those of you who !vote delete, consider following DGG's example, if you are here to help build an encyclopedia. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep based on improvements. In response to Bridger, everybody in this discussion is "here to build an encyclopedia", whether they vote to keep or delete an article.  Admittedly, this didn't look like much until DGG set out to improve it.  Sometimes, you have to tear down an eyesore in order to build something better. Mandsford (talk) 02:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep as per DGG's reasoning SouthernCritic111 (talk) 01:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.