Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of South Korean teen idol musical bands


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Moved. Well, this could have been closed a few days earlier, as someone already moved it elsewhere.  — fetch ·  comms   01:44, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

List of South Korean teen idol musical bands

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COMPLETELY unsourced, intricate, unuseful list. The description says "List of South Korean musical bands who have been called "teen idols" by the media; why do we need such a list? Anyway, it is coupletely unsourced, making it even worse. See wp:IINFO, WP:NOTDIR, WP:LSC, WP:SALAT, the relevant policies or guidelines. This list is interesting only to those who created it. Maybe we should create an article called South Korean teen idols or Teen idol music instead, or merge the relevant entries to other articles or categories. Maashatra11 (talk) 12:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not going to vote yet, but I suggest removing the last column (as it only repeat things in the linked articles). This list is good for comparison which can not be made through categories. Since this is a list of people (technically bands are labeled groups of people), and each of them has an article of its own...please see WP:Notability (People), it says that every entry should have a source...that is exactly what we need to improve...as for notability of the entries, I suggest removing all entries that do not follow at least one of the twelve stated points in WP:Music...I will vote after the AfD is discussed further, and if I am convinced...Yeah, the title of the article can also be changed...see Korean wave. Farjad0322 (talk) 15:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - inclusion criterion clear. Might need some editing (particularly the cites) but I can't really see in the guidelines a clear reason to delete.--70.80.234.196 (talk) 00:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep but improve - criteria clear as per WP:Notability (People) and WP:Music. Consider changing of name. Remove last column. Give a link to Korean wave. Farjad0322 (talk) 15:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment this articles fails WP:OR and WP:V -there's no sources. The member count is arbitrary as it is usually dynamic; The "gender", "lead" and "Record label" columns simply violate WP:NOTDIR and WP:IINFO. This is simply not an appropriate topic for a list. But what the heck is a "teen idol musical band"? Is it some term originating from Korea?! If this survives AfD, I'll try to merge the entries to another page (like List of K-pop artists). Maashatra11 (talk) 00:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The sources are in the article links. Listen before trying to remove the article from its existence. lets discuss its positive and negative points. Farjad0322 (talk) 08:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Farjad, what a great piece of work you have done here! :) It's great to know there are people who actually care about the article. If I understand it right, there was never any list akin to listing simply musical artists/musicians/bands from South Korea - but I erroneously thought that there MUST be such kind of list, and I'm only now aware of the fact that it simply never existed. Farjad - if I understand it right - the best way to deal with this article is merely renaming it to List of South Korean bands. If you agree to make the move, and there is agreement upon the creation of such a title, I shall withdraw. My new suggestion is thus Move to List of South Korean bands and delete this redirect , as the title containing "teen idol" is simply arbitrary/implausible. Cheers , Maashatra11 (talk) 10:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed! :) Farjad0322 (talk) 12:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's still not a very good choice. This list now duplicates many of the artists in List of Korean musicians. In my opinion, these 2 lists should be merged to one. Bands and musicians are interchangeable, so it's senseless that they have separate articles (see List of Belgian bands and artists). As you probably know, North Korea doesn't give much artistic freedom to its civilians, so saying "South Korea" or "Korea" when talking about popular musicians is similar. Maashatra11 (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Why, I just noted you suggested something similar to my suggestion : "If it is possible to make another section in 'List of Korean Musicians' or 'List of K-pop artists' that only lists the bands (not solo artists), then I suggest merging of this article with either of them." Very very good call, so I suggest we make some merging work first (add a section called "bands" in List of Korean musicians), then request speedy deletion of the implausible "List of South Korean teen idol musical bands" which is a redirect now, and redirect List of South Korean bands to List of Korean musicians. I withdraw. Maashatra11 (talk) 14:01, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay! This is a very good idea. It would clear up so many articles of the same purpose. However, the article List of K-Pop artists is not a good choice because it only lists pop artists/bands and not ballad and rock artists/bands. List of Korean musicians is the right choice for merging. Farjad0322 (talk) 14:09, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest making sections because there are entries of articles on Taeyeon, Jessica and Tiffany and as well as Girls Generation - who they are the member of. This is what makes necessary for us to separate solo artists from bands. Just about anyone can be a solo artist but making a band is a little more challenging, Bands dont own their music, in fact not even their own name. It belongs to their label company. In case of solo artists, they can own their music, if not in all cases. Farjad0322 (talk) 14:15, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The article appears to have been moved during this discussion; that appears to be a satisfactory outcome. Stifle (talk) 08:36, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah! and the new list is now way better than before: List of Korean musicians. Could you close this discussion because the article does not exist anymore. Farjad0322 (talk) 13:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.