Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Soviet Cold War power plays

This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of the page entitled List of Soviet actions since 1945 that have been considered imperialistic, since moved to List of Soviet Cold War power plays.

This page is kept as an historic record.

Due to lack of consensus, the result of the debate was to keep the article.

Article subject is inherently POV. Ordinarily I might try renaming, but it only has one action listed.


 * Delete unless reanmed and more items added. - TB 20:51, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
 * In all fairness, and in the interest of NPOV we can't merely delete the Soviet list, when we have an exhaustive US list. I will agree more material is needed, which most certainly does exist, but in the interests of balance, I vote keep . -- EmperorBMA|&#35441;&#12377; 13:55, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Only three things listed and Cuban Missile Crisis seems just odd in the context. The placing of missiles on Cuba could be considered imperialistic, but the crisis was an interaction between - primarily - two nations.  To call the crisis imperialistic is like saying both Britain AND India were imperialists because of the existence of the East India Company. It seems a poorly thought out basis for an article. --bodnotbod 14:58, May 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * This would need a lot of work to ever come close to NPOV. ("considered imperialistic" by who? for what reasons? counter-arguments why it is not or was not considered imperialistic by others? etc.) Right now, it reads like anti-Soviet propaganda. I don't see enough value to the potential article to justify the effort of overcoming the inherent POV in the current version. Delete.  By the way, balance is not an issue.  The US list suffers the same weaknesses.  I am going to propose it for deletion below for the same reasons. Rossami 15:12, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is the other option (and definitely a good one). I think that if we define what group says "foo event" it may remove some of the POV burden from Wikipedia, unfortunately it is true that it is quite naturally a POV article no matter which way you slice it.  (Vote change to: Neutral as long as the US article goes the same way) -- EmperorBMA|&#35441;&#12377; 17:52, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: hopeless POV. What we need is something like Soviet foreign policy, which this article will never be. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:47, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. See my comments on MediaWiki:VfD-List of US actions since 1945 that have been considered imperialistic|List of US actions since 1945 that have been considered imperialistic. Andrewa 01:14, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless we can find some way to repair both this article and the parallel one: MediaWiki:VfD-List of US actions since 1945 that have been considered imperialistic|List of US actions since 1945 that have been considered imperialistic. -Rholton 01:53, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Maybe retitling it "List of actions that expanded Soviet influence"? MK 05:16, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - as a reference point.--GD 08:50, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
 * delete. i dont know who's doing to considering --Jiang 08:52, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's not fair to keep the list of US actions and delete this one. And it has five actions by now, not just one any more. Andris 04:31, May 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I changed the name to a less POV and more accurate title. Kingturtle 05:39, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, maybe for future merging into a Soviet Foreign policy article. And I like the redirect BTW (Far less POV) Burgundavia 07:40, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to List of Soviet Cold War foreign interventions (for NPOV example), but delete POV redirections List of Soviet actions since 1945 that have been considered imperialistic and List of Soviet Cold War power plays. --Zigger 19:11, 2004 May 13 (UTC)

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