Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Start Menu replacements for Windows 8 (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep (non-admin closure) -- — Keithbob •  Talk  • 02:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)}}

List of Start Menu replacements for Windows 8
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Delete this notable list because Wikipedia is not a directory. Notability is required (and established) but is not enough. Let me give you an example: Is "software" notable? Yes. But is a list of all softwar allowed in Wikipedia? No. I have already moved appropriate items to List of alternative shells for Windows. Codename Lisa (talk) 00:40, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of alternative shells for Windows. --みんな空の下 (トーク) 01:07, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

A small sampling of reliable sources independent of the subject to establish notability. Many more exist, but this is starting to become ridiculous.
 * Speedy Keep The OP has already tried nominated this article for deletion for the same reason. The community has already decided that this article easily meets the WP:GNG for lists (see evidence below).
 * IT World - 9 Windows Start menus for Windows 8
 * Delaware Online - Windows 8 woes GetStart menu sub
 * TechNewsDaily - 3 Ways to Bring Back the Start Menu in Windows 8
 * PC World - Give Windows 8 the Start Menu It Deserves
 * PC Magazine - Tip: How to Get the Start Menu Back in Windows 8
 * USA Today - How to add a Start menu to Windows 8
 * ExtremeTech - How to bring back the Start menu and button to Windows 8
 * Laptop Magazine - 6 Ways to Totally Avoid Metro and Use Only Desktop Mode in Windows 8
 * Information Week - What Windows 8.1 Must Be
 * CNET - Will 'normal' Windows users want a Start button for Win 8?
 * CNET - How to get the Start menu back in Windows 8
 * CNET - Pokki Windows 8 Start menu grabs half a million downloads
 * PC World - Sorry, Microsoft: Users really want the Start menu back


 * Once notability has been established, it never goes away. If anything, this topic has been even more notable, as many reliable sources have continued to publish more and more articles on this topic.  Here's just one published within the last few days as an example.  A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:59, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks for calling me pejoratives like "OP". I really appreciate insults. (Sarcasm intended.) Notability is required, but is not enough. It means you can have articles on notable topics but not link farms about them. Best regards(?), Codename Lisa (talk) 03:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * CL, one can claim you must assume good faith because "OP" might mean "original poster"; and if you, like me, think original poster is himself, then one can claim you must accept difference of opinions too. Anyway, the good part is, you can retaliate by calling him AC and claim it stands for "article creator". Fleet Command (talk) 05:26, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge to Windows 8 or Desktop environment. Yes, it seems to be notable and useful, but it's not encyclopedic.  How many lists do we need on Wikipedia, anyway?  This whole article could be summed up in a single sentence: "The removal of the start menu in Windows 8 was controversial, and software to restore that functionality has become popular."  Done. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:44, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I think the article is easily notable and it's already been nominated twice, which is a bit vindictive, and found to be a keeper.  A very large business opportunity was handed to the third party software engineering sector when windows 8 was released. The article show the response to this. It is a visual indication of the work done in response to Microsoft's failed business model (in this instance) Keep it intact.  scope_creep talk 18:14  29 October 2013  (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - if this article was recreated after an AFD (delete), it was speedy deleted again after WP:CSD – this AFD should be speedy deleted too. Christian75 (talk) 19:47, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep per above, Clearly notable & worth keeping, I fail to see why CL has renominated this again considering she only nominated it 7 months ago & so in June 2014 I won't be at all surprised if I see her renominating the article again. - →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  02:39, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks for the good idea. Any reason why I shouldn't? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 10:51, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - passes WP:GNG, WP:LISTN and WP:NTEMP. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:59, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep seems ok. Fotaun (talk) 22:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep the article is very useful and does no harm. IMHO Wikipedia should have providing useful accurate up-to-date information like this as its highest priority. John259 (talk) 15:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - There's lots of such programs, and obviously a lot of demand.  flarn 2006  [u t c] time: 00:02, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.