Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Steam games


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. —  Aitias  // discussion 13:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Steam games

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This article was originally proposed for deletion by me a few days ago. It was then deprodded by User:Tgies, who improved it to the point where you can actually tell what it's about. However, I still feel it should be deleted because the subject is rather trivial to begin with and, because the number of games available is over 500 and still increasing, such a list would rapidly become a gigantic indiscriminate mess that violates Wikipedia not being a directory. The Steam article already mentions half a dozen or so of the more high-profile games available on it, and I think that is all that is warranted. Reyk YO!  00:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: article reads like an advert for Valve Corporation's products Jubilee♫ clipman 01:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC) Additional: an advert for the console that is.  Jubilee♫ clipman  02:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Steam is itself a very notable delivery platform. We have lists of games available for different consoles, and so on. This is no different. Not all of the products are from Valve. - Richard Cavell (talk) 01:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Never noticed that before. Perhaps they should also be deleted as blatant advertising... Jubilee♫ clipman  01:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wal-mart is notable but we don't list every product they sell. Reyk  YO!  01:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He has a point though: List of Wii games, List of PlayStation 3 games, List of GameCube games, List of Xbox 360 games, etc, etc, how do they get away with those??? IMHO, those are also blatant advertising for their respective console developers, and should be removed, though it would take a brave man to tag them.... Jubilee♫ clipman  02:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think these lists are advertising; I just think they're pretty trivial. I mean, every game is for some platform or other, and distributed by some vendor or other, so every game in the world would end up on one of these lists. Reyk  YO!  02:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hold on a second, there is a substantial difference. Steam is a delivery system, not the platform on which the game is played. If we compare List of Wii games to List of The Colbert Report episodes, then List of Steam games is comparable to List of television shows available in iTunes Music Store (which I happen to notice is a redirect). I'm not convinced by your argument, although others seem to be. Please explain why we should have this article and not List of video games sold by Wal-mart, or alternatively, why we should have the Wal-mart list.  Pagra shtak  15:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep — All list (especially the future games) items may need sourcing and possibly excess cruft cleaned up, (I don't think demo availability is necessary.) but I don't think outright deletion is the solution here. MuZemike  ( talk ) 13:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per Richard. &mdash; neuro(talk) 14:21, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Steam is a notable platform, I don't think this article is problematic as is. --Bobak (talk) 19:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm not a Wikipedia insider like you guys, all wrapped up in technical details of rule definitions and apparently ever-eager to delete someone's work. I'm a user who was referring to the aforementioned list because I needed the info it contains. (Specifically, I wanted to see if Rome Total War was a Steam game.) As a businessman, the satisfaction of my customers is paramount. Do you guys ever even think of we users in your little discussions? It doesn't appear so. Please devote your energies to creating more info for us, the public, rather than deleting info. And before you write that I "vandalized" this page... yes, I probably submitted this comment incorrectly. Sorry, but the Help files aren't that great for new users.Markus451 (talk) 12:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * We are all trying to improve the encyclopedia together, so please assume good faith with other users. MuZemike  ( talk ) 18:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I have previously brought up the potential of such an article on WP:VG, where it received a reasonably positive response. If it hadn't been made now, I would have created it later down the line. Steam tends to be more than a mere distribution platform, although it should probably not be compared with consoles. Its more on the same level as the lists for Xbox live, Games for Windows and WiiWare. That's not to say that the list doesn't have issues: it needs references, the availability of the demos should probably be ditched, and ideally it needs the sort of stuff that shows how integrated any given product is into the various non-download features in the Steam system, as it is not a merely a download service. The list is perfectly viable, and although not brilliant at present, can be improved with work. -- Sabre (talk) 18:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WITHDRAW- I withdraw my nomination. Reyk  YO!  23:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note — The AFD should be kept open as another user besides the nom supports deletion. MuZemike  ( talk ) 03:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


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