Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Sultans of Sulu (second nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep per WP:SNOW. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 18:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Sultans of Sulu
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This POV nightmare was kept in the previous AFD, seemingly under the assumption that it would improve. Well, it has not. I, for one, cannot sort out unreferenced POV material, and OR from fact in this list, and I think we would benefit from starting this over from scratch, if this list needs to exist at all. Note the further POV stuff I removed shortly before nominating it as well. Charlie - talk to me - what I've done 12:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, quite strongly. The subject is surely worthy of an article, and this admittedly poor article is better than none, and would not be useless to someone who wishes to improve it.  Lists of office-holders are quite common here.  Now this is a rather obscure subject, and the chronicles of the Sultanate may not be widely distributed in English.  There is apparently some controversy over the succession; this too is pretty common.  Given this, a cleanup time of months, years, or centuries may not be achieved: but fortunately, there is no deadline.  Prior AfD was in December of last year. - Smerdis of Tlön 13:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly a notable subject. Thanks Taprobanus 13:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per above. Clearly a notable subject. — Travis talk  14:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Does this meet the speedy keep criteria? I know the rationale is weak and there is a clear consensus to keep, but it doesn't appear to be pointy. Morgan Wick 16:17, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Point taken. — Travis talk  16:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Just because it has not improved since the last AFD (that recommended a keep) does not mean we now delete. Pedro | Chat  14:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note I have tagged the article as needing expert help. If anyone can see s suitable project to put it into be bold. Pedro | Chat  14:33, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep, the sultanate seems to be a notable government position and having a list of those who served in the position is encyclopedic. That the article is problematic and needs cleanup is not a reason for deletion - it could use better sourcing but what exists is at least adequate to warrant keeping. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 15:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as a subject of obvious historical importance. Please use normal dispute resolution avenues to grapple with the POV editing issues. --Dhartung | Talk 17:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.