Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Tea Party protests, 2009 (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. There seems to be a consensus that these articles are in poor shape, but no consensus about how to deal with that. The delete/merge !voters (primarily) argue that the article is in such poor shape that a deletion would be a better choice than than leaving the article in this state, which is an acceptable argument for deletion. The keep !voters, on the other hand, (primarily) contend that the topic of the article is acceptable based on our list guidelines, and (with one exception) believe that the issues are solvable by regular editing, rather than deletion. In this case, I feel that I would be overstepping my rights to choose which side has the best solution here. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:32, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

List of Tea Party protests, 2009
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I'm also nominating the 2010 page:

Nothing has changed since it was originally nominated in 2009 and it's still covered in maintenance tags. We don't have a list of x protests by any other group on Wikipedia (except for List of Occupy movement protest locations which I have also nominated for deletion) because they aren't encyclopedic. There needs to be a merging of both articles into the main Tea Party movement article and a prose summary of the most notable protests and a description of their occurrence in 2009-2010 added to the Tea Party movement section. Otherwise, we're dealing with original research—editors making lists of protests they personally think are notable.Viriditas (talk) 23:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Viriditas (talk) 00:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - In the last AFD discussion, the 'keep' decision included the following requirement: "What remains is the need for an improvement effort to better summarize the events and remove the plethora of external links and individual charaterizations that give the impression of POV, linkfarming and OR."


 * Nobody has stepped up to make these changes, and as is the page is unacceptable. Deletion reasons:  WP:Linkfarm, questionable WP:Notability of many items (see also WP:Weight), and protest descriptions that fail WP:NPOV.  MakeBelieveMonster (talk) 00:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:24, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge & redirect, as suggested by the proposing editor of this AfD. The verified content can be merged to Tea Party movement as suggested in a summarized manor, in either prose or an embedded list.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:34, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep The topic is a useful navigational aid. As it currently sits it is a link farm, however, so somebody really does need to go through and get those green links out of the body and into the footnotes where they belong. Carrite (talk) 02:05, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:LISTN:" A list topic is considered notable if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources." The Tea Party protests have obviously been discussed as a group by reliable sources.  The fact that this article is in abysmal shape is not a reason to delete it.  If the shape it's in offends the nominator or other editors here, they  should fix it, not try to goad others into fixing it by bringing it to AFD.  The fact that most of the items on the list are not in themselves notable is also not a reason for deletion: "Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable" (WP:LISTN again).  The fact that there aren't many other lists of protests is a complete red herring and not based in policy.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:18, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep:notable per LISTN. Let's improve this--not delete it--you may not realize it now, but we're looking at a future Featured List. – Lionel (talk) 08:23, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge Could be added to the Tea Party page. 90moredays (talk) 16:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete ... Especially on political matters (and double especially potentially controversial ones with POV issues), it's not acceptable to indefinitely leave an article in such disarray as it suggests a lack of notability and/or resources. Moreover, anything that hints of a bias POV being left unchecked needs to be handled same way we manage BLPs without sources; they cannot be left standing as they diminish the quality of The Project. That it "feels" useful or is informational is moot. That its parent subject is notable is moot. These things are not in question. Those feeling strongly to keep are open to work on the article until discussion here is concluded and I'd encourage a closing admin to consider this with perhaps a little more weight than usual. Not opposed to the article being restored in the future if someone demonstrated the ability to improve it. I say this with common sense in mind more than pointing to specific policy but will stand that it should be treated as a un- or weakly-sourced BLP would be. ♪ Tstorm(talk) 03:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep This list is a unique source documenting the progress of the Tea Party. It can't be helped to be a little POV because only an insider would go to the trouble of putting it together, but still it would be a valuable starting point to anyone conducting research in the field. Let's face it, nobody is going to fix this list. But this does not mean that it is so problematic. Anyone can see that is was probably put together by a PR person and discount it as such. The fact that we don't have more lists like this one does not mean we should not have them. Imagine if we had something as detalied as this for the anti-globalization and the Vietnam war protest! That would be so cool! &rarr;Yaniv256talkcontribs 04:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.