Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Thailand provinces by Human Development Index


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This deletion is without prejudice to re-creation if sources can be found later. Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

List of Thailand provinces by Human Development Index

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Unreferenced, and I was unable to verify any of the given information. The latest UNDP national reports for Thailand (2007 and 2009) use only the Human Achievement Index (HAI) and make no mention of an HDI-type score. HDI values were given for the 2003 report, but they don't match what is claimed in the article, and its lack of inclusion in later reports suggest that the UNDP has abandoned it as a reliable indicator (and therefore not suitable for basing a Wikipedia list article on). Many other local organisations compile their own development indices, but none of them that I've seen features a similar aggregated score. The inclusion of Pattaya, which is not a province, casts extra doubt on the list's accuracy as is. Paul_012 (talk) 11:57, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - This case is not for deletion, the article is malformed and unsourced, but I see an undeniable encyclopedic value just by reading its article. The article needs a clean up and proper source. Eduemoni↑talk↓  14:08, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem is that without a source, there's nothing in this article left worth keeping. It may well be WP:MADEUP or even a WP:HOAX, for all we know. If someone is able to identify the claimed source, I'll gladly withdraw the nomination. But I have tried with considerable effort and failed. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:07, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 05:42, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 05:42, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Notable but needs sight of the source it would be notable if there was any hard evidence this 2007 (2550 in Thailand) report existed.. I left a message on the creator of Thai page, but he may have just copied it from English, Thai years always confuse me. I would think though HDI numbers for Thai Provinces must have been published in 2009 otherwise why state "The latest complete national report was 2007 report, published in 2009. Bueng Kan Province did not included in this report as it was not yet separated." In ictu oculi (talk) 09:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Another thing is that the claimed values seem very suspicious. They are way higher than those given in the 2003 UNDP report. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:09, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak keep, it's seems notable but the only references I could find in a a Google search are mirrors.King Jakob  C2 17:48, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

<hr style="width:55%;" />
 * Comment: The article creator has responded on his/her talk page. Quote follows on the next line. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:08, 6 February 2013 (UTC)"I'm not sure if it's from UNDP or not. But I have found another 'Human Achievement Index' by UNDP. But I don't know if it is same as HDI. But I got the information long time ago.--DKH2010 (talk) 18:45, 6 February 2013 (UTC)"
 * Nominator comment: There have been keep !votes with the reason that the list is encyclopaedic and notable. However, this was never in doubt. The issue here is that other editors and I have not been able to locate reliable sources to verify the topic at all. WP:DEL-REASON #7 clearly states that "Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed" is a valid reason for deletion. The HDI is published by the UNDP, but the UNDP reports for Thailand contain no such data (after 2003). The figures given in the article are vastly different from the UNDP figures for 2003. The issue has been raised on the article talk page over a year ago. The article creator isn't able to recall the source of the information. I believe this has been a reasonable attempt to locate existing sources. Sources are available to support a new list based on the Human Achievement Index, but that would be better created as a new, unrelated article. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:08, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 16:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

<hr style="width:55%;" />
 * Delete the HDI data has been reasonably challenged and no source has been found, despite substantial effort. The unsourced data should be removed. However, since this leaves the article without any effective content, the article should be deleted. I agree with the nominator that this is not a matter of notability. Thincat (talk) 19:49, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, I'm now convinced that the total lack of references makes this article not worth keeping.King Jakob  C2 18:06, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.