Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Andy Griffith Show guest stars (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. I'm closing this as a keep based on the argument/evidence/sources provided by. Thanks everyone for assuming good faith. Missvain (talk) 23:59, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

List of The Andy Griffith Show guest stars
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A list of one-time (rarely two-time) guest actors on a TV series. The list claims "the show had many guest stars", without further discussing them as a group, so I still doubt this passes WP:LISTN. The "Notes" column appears to be a mix of trivia and "of course the actor also had other roles". The guest stars are all named in List of The Andy Griffith Show episodes, so this list (without the trivia) is redundant to the LoE in it present form. – sgeureka t•c 13:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I was unaware of the previous AfD, so I struck my doubts about WP:LISTN. However, with the number of deleted guest star lists in the past few weeks, I'd like the AfD to run its course and see if consensus has changed. – sgeureka t•c 13:36, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge ⌚️ (talk) 14:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * History lesson. I originally split this out of the main article because it certainly didn't belong there. Not too long ago, I expressed my doubts about its notability (that may have triggered the first Afd). Clarityfiend (talk) 09:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 14:12, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:LISTN informational purposes. Too long for a merge as well. Lightburst (talk) 14:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources. The subject passes Notability, which says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." I will show below that "The Andy Griffith Show guest stars" has been treated as a "a group or set by independent reliable sources". Sources   The book provides a list of guest stars:Jackie Joseph—Ramona AnkrumFrank Sutton—Sgt. Carter<li>Charles P. Thompson—Asa Breeney</li><li>Enid Markey—Mrs. Mendelbright</li><li>Will Wright, Tol Avery, and Jason Johnson—Ben Weaver</li><li>Olan Soule—John Masters</li><li>Josie Lloyd—Lydia Crosswaith</li><li>Barbara Perry—Flossie, Mary Lee, Lavinia, and Doris Williams</li><li>Norman Leavitt (it:Norman Leavitt), Trevor Bardette, and Cliff Norton—Wally</li><li>Jane Dulo—Escaped convict Sally</li><li>Barbara Eden—Ellen Brown</li><li>Mary Grace Canfield—Mary Grace Gossage</li><li>Joyce Van Patten—Laura Hollander</li><li>Robert Cornthwaite—Inspector Somerset</li><li>Alan Oppenheimer—Mr. Ruskin, the Interpreter</li><li>R. G. Armstrong—Farmer Flint</li><li>Elaine Joyce—Mavis Neff</li><li>The Country Boys (Roland White, LeRoy McNees, Clarence White, Eric White, and Billy Ray Latham)—Local musicians</li><li>Joel Redlin—Ferdie</li><li>Alvy Moore—Kitchenwares salesman</li><li>Dave Ketchum—Fred Michaels, Harry Walker</li><li>George Spence—Frank the fiancé</li><li>Brad (Joe Bolleter) Olson—Esquire Club member John Danby</li></ol></li> <li> The book notes: "There are 249 episodes (159 in black and white; 90 in color) of 'The Andy Griffith Show.' The following is a list, with brief plot summaries, of all the episodes. The order in which the episodes are listed is the order in which they were filmed and also the order in which they are most commonly aired in syndication. (The order in which the episodes were originally broadcast is slightly different.) Guest stars and prominent actors are also listed, along with the writers of the episodes." The book notes this information about guest stars:<ol><li>In "Episode 8: A Feud Is a Feud", Arthur Hunnicutt and Chubby Johnson are guest stars.</li><li>In "Episode 36: Barney on the Rebound", Jackie Coogan is a guest star.</li><li>In "Episode 70: The Cow Thief", Malcolm Atterbury and Ralph Bell are guest stars.</li><li>In "Episode 74: Convicts-at-Large", Reta Shaw, Jane Dulo, and Jean Carson are guest stars.</li><li>In "Episode 107: Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.", Frank Sutton is the guest star.</li><li>In "Episode 144: Goober Takes a Car Apart", Larry Hovis is the guest star.</li><li>In "Episode 167: Taylors in Hollywood", Gavin MacLeod and Hayden Rorke are the guest stars.</li><li>In "Episode 187: The Foster Lady", Ronnie Schell and Robert Emhardt are the guest stars.</li><li>In "Episode 208: The Statue", Dal McKennon is the guest star.</li><li>In "Episode 225: Opie Steps Up in Class", Joyce Van Patten is the guest star.</li><li>In "Episode 245: Emmett's Anniversary", Ronnie Schell is the guest star.</li></ol></li> <li> The book discusses each episode in the series and the cast members (including guest cast) involved in each episode.</li> <li> The article notes: "Guest stars included Jackie Coogan (Uncle Fester, 'The Addams Family'); Buddy Ebsen ('Beverly Hillbillies' and 'Barnaby Jones'); Alan Hale Jr. (the skipper on 'Gilligan's Island'); Bill Bixby ('The Incredible Hulk' and 'My Favorite Martian'), Don Rickles; Bob Denver ('Gilligan's Island'); Teri Garr; Jamie Farr ('MASH'); Howard Hesseman ('WKRP in Cincinnati'); Rob Reiner ('All in the Family'); and Jack Nicholson."</li> <li> The article notes: "The small, fictional town of Mayberry, N.C., lives on in the Verona Joyner Langford North Carolina Collection at Joyner Library. The television series that was set in this picturesque town, 'The Andy Griffith Show,' debuted on Oct. 3, 1960, and ran for eight seasons. Several books in the collection give detailed summaries of all 249 episodes that aired, along with short biographies of the cast members and various guest stars who passed through Mayberry, including Jack Nicholson, Bill Bixby, and Barbara Eden." The article discusses the books The Andy Griffith Show Book by Ken Beck and Jim Clark, The Definitive Andy Griffith Show Reference by Dale Robinson and David Fernandes, and Mayberry 101: Behind The Scenes of a TV Classic by Neal Brower.</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 08:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)</li></ul>


 * Pinging Articles for deletion/List of The Andy Griffith Show guest stars participants:, , , , and . Cunard (talk) 08:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete—List article fails WP:TVCAST and WP:LISTCRUFT. List is redundant to those in LoE article. The more significant guest/recurring stars are listed in List of The Andy Griffith Show characters. AldezD (talk) 14:17, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the multiple reliable sources identified above by Cunard showing that WP:GNG is passed. It's also a valid WP:Split from a notable article and remerging would create an over-large page with difficulties for downloading as per WP:Paper. Regarding other lists at AfD WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST applies, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 18:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


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