Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Angry Video Game Nerd episodes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  No consensus Even ignoring the many "keep" !votes from what may be a record number (seven) different IP addresses, the split is fairly even on keeping or deleting, with one user suggesting merge. The consensus is that the YouTube celebrity is notable, and the difference of opinion is over whether a summary of episodes is necessary. The comments from IPs are always welcome, and can influence a discussion, but carry no weight as evidence of overwhelming support for a particular position. Mandsford 22:51, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

List of The Angry Video Game Nerd episodes

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Excessive list of online video game review videos, unsourced and while the show itself might be considered notable, there is nothing to support this list Jac 16888 Talk 01:50, 7 December 2010 (UTC) Strong Keep - I too use this page very frequently to view episodes of AVGN that i haven't watched yet and it would be a massive mistake to delete this article. Like AnOrdinaryBoy has mentioned, you'd have to delete all of the "list of *show goes here* episode articles to accord with the deletion of this article. On CineMassacre there is an episode list but it does not provide YouTube/Gametrailer links plus the website is very laggy. It also doesn't include the spinoffs for this show. If AVGN is not classed as major then nothing on this planet is. All of his videos have a total of at least 200 million views. MikeWazowski is most likely an Irate Gamer fanboy that hates AVGN and wants it to be eradicated from the web. Well, this wikipedia article is most definitely staying whether you like it or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.86.98.145 (talk) 20:20, 8 December 2010 (UTC) — 77.86.98.145 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. No convincing arguments to delete. The fact remains that I can see no true reason nor indeed any argument yet put forth as to why this page is more worthy of deletion than all the other "episode list" pages on wikipedia. This page is a legitimate informational supplement to the main page for AVGN, just as the vast majority of "episode list" pages are to their respective parent pages. One of four things must happen here: One; this page is deleted and all other "episode list" pages on wikipedia are also deleted for the same reason. Two; delete this page and also delete everything related to AVGN, since none of it is notable enough for deletionist standards anyway. Three; preserve the status quo, I do not believe anything needs to be changed here. Four; someone puts forth some REAL reasons why this page is suddenly up for deletion. As far as un-cited information goes, I do not see anything specific that needs additional citation. Each episode is its own reference. If someone feels the article needs clean-up, then flag it for that and go watch some episodes instead of bleating that there are not enough references; but this does not seem anywhere near deserving of deletion. And apparently my IP is being labeled as a single-purpose account. Hodgepodge, I tell you! -Scott (will let the sign bot get my signature for me) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.110.58.134 (talk) 06:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 02:06, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 02:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - unremarkable episodes of an unremarkable webseries. No significant references from independent publications to confer any kind of notability. MikeWazowski (talk) 02:55, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd think that being one of the most famous video game commentators in this day and age would be "significant" enough to warrant its own article. Are you telling me that someone who's garnered hundreds of millions of online views for his videos and has been featured on multiple national TV channels is not "remarkable" enough for you? 71.246.75.5 (talk) 21:10, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I never quite understand why 'list of episode' articles are kept, but they are, so surely if the series is notable, then this list is notable? Can anyone clarify what the necessary criteria is for a 'list of xxxxx episodes' article?-- K orr u ski Talk 10:19, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge. Like previously with the nomination of List of the Nostalgia Critic episodes, it was resolved by making it a new article about the character and the show, as well as the episodes. AVGN already has a page, so just add the epiosdes there. Rusted AutoParts (talk) 11:08 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Contrary to the comment above, I believe that these are notable episodes of a notable web series. There is no reason to delete this page as it is a reasonable contribution to the Wikipedia community.Anber (talk) 22:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:57, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. No less important than other lists. AVGN is more notable than certain people have indicated. 173.243.45.162 (talk) — 173.243.45.162 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Strong Keep I'd argue strongly against the idea that AVGN is not significant simply because he is one of the earliest and most notable of the trend of nostalgic reviewers with each episode getting 1m+ views. Whilst I myself have never really seen the idea behind "list of episodes" wikipages if you delete this one you would have to delete all of them on the same criteria.AnOrdinaryBoy (talk) 10:52, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Unique collection of information. Just because one person is not a fan of the show does not mean it is unremarkable. This is the MOST notable retrogaming show around, and episodes consistently get over a million views apiece on gametrailers alone.  I have always found this page to be a supremely useful resource for cataloging and organization of the places where the episodes are available, and I am quite alarmed to find that it is being considered for deletion.  The information on this list is not compiled anywhere else to my knowledge; it is a composite of information found on http://www.gametrailers.com/screwattack, http://www.screwattack.com/shows/AVGN-The-Angry-Video-Game-Nerd, and http://www.youtube.com/user/jamesnintendonerd; but in none of those places it is arranged and organized as cleanly as it is on this page.  I have this page linked in my browser favourites, and use it regularly.  Losing it would be a travesty. -Scott (no account)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.110.58.134 (talk) 14:37, 8 December 2010 (UTC) — 208.110.58.134 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Strong Keep - This is a one of the most well organized and useful episode lists I've seen on this whole wiki, both for fans of the series who just want links to videos and curious newcomers who are looking for where to start. It should serve as an example for other similar articles. As for being "unsourced"... it clearly is sourced, each episode link is evidence for the posted descriptions. I will be very disappointed if this article gets removed. 71.246.75.5 (talk) 21:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC) — 71.246.75.5 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Strong Keep - I use this page very often when finding info on the AVGN or, as the guy above me said, just to view episodes of the AVGN. I'm honestly completely and totally surprised that this is even being mentioned for deletion. Okay, so there is a lot of unsourced material, but why not just bring THAT up instead? It's not like it's poorly written either: there's a lot of information here about each episode. Hell, if it's really that big of a deal, I'll even get involved with references now. Like IP 71.246.75.5 said, I'll be very disappointed if this is deleted. And I will counter MikeWazowski by saying this: just because you don't think it's good or remarkable doesn't mean it isn't. One million and great views on GameTrailers alone? Yeah, you're right, it's not that big of a deal at all. Separate your own person feelings when you judge importance. I hate Lamb of God with a passion, but that doesn't mean I'll campaign to get their Discography removed. To be frank, that's just plain silly. --Silverskylines (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information or a link repository.WP:ITSUSEFUL is not a valid argument in deletion discussions (and frankly, neither is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). And no one is claiming that AVGN isn't notable. I might be converted to the side of keeping, but none of the keep arguments have swayed me, especially given the large number of IPs and how similar they all sound. Morgan Wick (talk) 02:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Exactly There was no real reason that this article was put up for deletion. Yes i am the same one that commented a few comments above. Every episode is a reference to its' self. If this page is deleted, then tens of thousands of articles will have to be deleted based on this rule. Plus, i'll have to favourite every episode instead of using the convenience of this article. Either we can keep this article and every episode list or we can delete this and thousands that would take years to delete every one.Plus people are adding to it all the time. It's too late to delete all the episode lists IMHO because Wikipedia is so big. I don't understand why some person wants to get rid of every clean, clear and convenient list on Wikipedia and force us to search higher and lower on the internet. Oh, and Morgan Wick, if you think our IPS seem similar, track us. You'll find we're thousands of miles apart. Not everyone has to join Wikipedia to seem legit. AVGNs' target audience are teens that know not a lot about the 8bit/16bit era and all the rubbish games that were made. I'm 13 and would not consider joining wikipedia just to seem legit. You could track all the IPs as many different times as you want. We're unrelated. I apologise for having to post again just to point out something. See you guys later if some trouble stirs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.72.226.128 (talk) 20:55, 9 December 2010 (UTC) — 94.72.226.128 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * It was not my intention to accuse any of the ISPs of being sockpuppets (that might be impossible to prove), though meatpuppets are another matter (though given the circumstances we're a long way from even suspecting a web site of driving people here). I don't know whether or not AVGN is notable enough to have an episode list (NOT "notable enough to have an article", that is undisputed despite some disrespectful statements above), or even what criteria to base that decision on; for something with so much consensus that it should exist, the guidelines are lacking for when it should exist. But "there is no one-stop place for links to all the AVGN videos," unfortunate a circumstance as that may be, is NOT a reason to keep, because that is not what Wikipedia is. The arguments to delete haven't been well backed-up and haven't reflected well on those who've made them (and for that matter haven't been many), but there haven't been any convincing arguments to keep either. Again, read WP:NOT, WP:USEFUL and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. (Unless new information appears this is probably leading to a no-consensus closure.) Morgan Wick (talk) 23:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think I realized what Mike's point is up top: AVGN may be notable, but the individual episodes themselves are not. That's debatable, and again I don't know if that's reason enough to delete, but I think it was originally stated uncarefully enough that the AVGN fanboy brigade is reacting to a perceived slight against AVGN himself instead of its intended target. Morgan Wick (talk) 23:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Not so much fanboyism - be careful with hyperboles. The individual episodes are not notable; that's why we have this list, and I see Mike's post as just being insulting. Not every episode has a page, and this list contains a presentation of accurate (if, at times, extraneous, but that can be edited with a simple click) information regarding each episode. This isn't a meat-puppet show... Of course people who are fans of the show will come to this page and argue against its deletion. I think the person who referred to there being no "one-stop place for links to all the AVGN episodes" misspoke and meant that there's not an accurate compendium of the episodes that contain information on release, games reviewed, etc. Sure, you can always go to the Cinemassacre/GameTrailers/ScrewAttack web sites to get it, but can't you do the same with any other TV show? This list combines and presents that information. I'll even point out the longevity of the issue: this page has existed for a long time, and it's just now being challenged? Yes, I know that ex post facto is a rhetorical fallacy, but that's not what I'm getting at. --Silverskylines (talk) 00:57, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy Strong Keep, but edit What's the reason for not having a list of AVGN episodes? What if you want to watch E.T. by AVGN but you don't have a list? If you have this list, then you'll know that the AVGN has yet to review this awful game. But there's sometimes no spaces after full stops in the description, and it's mostly simple sentences. Please edit this. 82.13.79.52 (talk) 19:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC) — 82.13.79.52 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Plus, you should asterisk the swearing. 82.13.79.52 (talk) 18:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No Consensus - Close this Debate. PS I have every right to post under an IP. 70.26.37.243 (talk) 02:56, 11 December 2010 (UTC) — 70.26.37.243 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep As long as the AVGN show has an article, I think a single spinout on the episodes is fine. The argument is that any sources that count toward the show must also count to the episodes which make up the show as a whole.   Hobit (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2010 (UTC)