Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Stand characters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Kubigula (talk) 05:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

List of The Stand characters

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The entire character list of a single novel, effectively the plot repeated over and over, the only two provided references appear to reference very little Jac 16888  Talk 21:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I created this subpage from the main article [The Stand]] because I feel the list made it too long. Everyone can feel free to make editing to save this list.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 21:44, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Agree... useful content can be merged into the book's article, and the detailed descriptions are unnecessary. Shadowjams (talk) 22:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's actually a !vote for merging then, not deletion, and because of contributors' licensing concerns this would have to remain as a redirect. postdlf (talk) 18:24, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:41, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:41, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep We normally allow a list of characters for any sufficiently large fictional franchise--TV shows are normative, but series' of books are also handled similarly. In this case, we have a grey area: one book, with both TV and graphic novel adaptations.  If we merge it to any one of the three articles (and the original novel makes the most sense), we risk losing the ability to discuss how certain characters differed in the various incarnations of the story.  Still, that is a more valid option, per WP:ATD than deletion.  I'm not familiar with the story, so I can't comment on whether the character bios are too long vs. need to be trimmed, but I agree with the editor who made the break-out list that this length of prose would heavily unbalance the main article on the book. Jclemens (talk) 01:10, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge to The Stand, which currently has none of this information and so per WP:ATD takes deletion off the table. We really need to stop making AFD nominations in such circumstances.  There has been absolutely no talk page discussion on this list regarding trimming it down or merging (or indeed, any discussion), so no one has even bothered to try normal editing and discussion before jumping the deletion gun, not even after a prod attempt was disagreed with.  I don't question the nom's good faith here, but the use coercive procedures such as AFD to resolve editing issues before normal editing and discussion has even been attempted is one of the worst aspects of Wikipedia culture and probably one of the most discouraging to contributors.  postdlf (talk) 18:24, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do not merge (indifferent between deleting and keeping separate): the original version was, and have been made. There's no new content to merge. Flatscan (talk) 05:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The Stand currently is empty except for a link to this list. But if you want to call it "restoring the content from that article's history" instead of "merging back", whatever.  postdlf (talk) 05:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems to me to make sense to keep, simply because keeping the character list in its own article makes the parent article more concise, and therefore more readable. Geoffrey.landis (talk) 23:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep a very appropriate split rfor a famous novel. I've tended to oppose such splits for routine works, but this is not a routine work.  DGG ( talk ) 08:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep a very appropriate split rfor a famous novel. I've tended to oppose such splits for routine works, but this is not a routine work.  DGG ( talk ) 08:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC) Exactly, I split the character like for the parent article to be more concise, and since there are already a TV-miniseries and comic book adaption, the list needs to be kept for new readers.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 01:07, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Full of intricate detail about fictional characters, no notability for the list itself established. However, disclaimer of spoilers is forbidden, per WP:SPOILER, yet copyrights of the novel The Stand may still apply. WP:PLOT may apply to a list of fictional characters. Even if the primary references determine the entries, I wonder if the list is necessary to be made. --George Ho (talk) 05:18, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


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