Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Steve Wilkos Show episodes (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. PhilKnight (talk) 22:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

List of The Steve Wilkos Show episodes
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Article was previously nominated in February but was kept in a no consensus decision. Since then the article has remained stagnant and there have been few, if any updates to the list, which hasn't been updated in nine months (note that the first season of this show ended in May). Also a list which is basically a rotating list of talk show topics which have nothing beyond the title of each program to differentiate them from each other, and are not unique in the subject matter dealt with.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 09:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, I honestly cannot see any encyclopedic value whatsoever in a list of episode titles for a talk show. --Stormie (talk) 10:03, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom --T-rex 16:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom, not encyclopedic Rasadam (talk) 18:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Question, strictly for purposes of educating me. How is this list different from the hundreds of other lists of television episodes here? I'm not invoking WP:OTHERCRAP, I'm just curious because WP:EPISODE recommends making this type of page, and I'd like to know why this one isn't encyclopedic. Thanks!-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  23:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That guideline really applies much more to episodic television in my eyes, where only one or two episodes air per week and the list can stay in relative control (see my other arguments in the first nom as to why I feel this overwhelms that guideline). This list wants to catalog every episode of a five day-a-week talk show, where as many as 200 episodes may be produced in a year. Usually with a talk show, you get a sense of the basic issues dealt with and listed in the parent article and there is no need to list every topic for every day because they usually rotate around and never get out of their targeted topic range; here for instance you're not going to see Steve Wilkos talk about makeovers, crash diets, or economic policy anytime soon, he pretty much sticks to domestic strife and crime issues. Thus my reasoning as to why a talk show like this does not need an episode list.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * So if I could summarize (to make sure I understand correctly), it's the large volume of entries with little potentially useful information per entry? That does make some sense -- the only sticky issue I see is where to draw the line (as is true with so many things in life *grin*). Thanks!-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  13:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As I say in my userpage, I can get very verbose (blushes). This is exactly what I'm trying to state. I'm glad I could help you out with this.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 06:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge into the short The Steve Wilkos Show article, as it is not quite at "Once there's enough verifiable information independent of the show itself, then: Create a page for … a 'List of episodes' page" from WP:EPISODE. – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  20:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't feel that this standard can ever be met. Usually the only publicity for a talk show outside of the show's PR department comes when either the show premieres, there's some controversial event to occur on the show (Tyra's "Kiss My Fat Ass" speech for instance), or it's on the heels of perhaps topping Oprah in the ratings.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 19:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Since when is updates a reason for deletion?. Mythdon (talk) 02:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * weak keep I completely agree with the assessment by the nominator and those who support deletion of this list. I am not convinced, however, that deletion is the proper course of action.  We are indeed encouraged to split such listified information from main articles, and there seems no question that the main article is notable.  I see no harm in keeping this list, and believe that interested editors could work through formatting this list differently and/or establishing some inclusion guidance to make the list more relevant.  Jerry   talk ¤ count/logs 22:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, same rationale that I gave last time. Unmaintainable, non-notable list. Do we have List of Oprah Winfrey episodes?  List of Maury Povich episodes?  Both hosts are much more notable that Steve Wilkos.  Delete.  Keeper   |   76   |  Disclaimer  22:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.