Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Sword of Truth characters (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Consensus is clearly to Keep and cleanup. Steven Walling &bull; talk   03:15, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

List of The Sword of Truth characters
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This was brought to AfD back in December 2015, closed as a redirect, and just recently, that close was brought Deletion review/Log/2016 May 30 for review. The result of that review was to relist the article for a new discussion. My role here is purely administrative; I offer no opinion the the outcome. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:28, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep some of these characters have received extensive coverage from secondary sources. It is better to have a list then multiple stand alone articles. This New York Times article gives coverage to multiple characters and then Sam Raimi's thought process in creating them, here is another source Hypable giving coverage to the characters. Some coverage here, Den of Geek and NJ.com.
 * Keep From the last discussion " Deletion is not cleanup. Does this article need clean up? Yes. But there are 17 books in the series and the television series lasted for 2 seasons (44 episodes). The books have sold over 25 million copies as of 2008 (since that was 7 years ago, much more have probably sold). The series is clearly notable. There are a lot of characters in the series. There needs to be a page to contain them. Like Flyer22 Reborn pointed out, there are many articles in very similar situations like List of A Song of Ice and Fire characters and List of Game of Thrones characters. If we delete this article simply because it is all plot, we will have to do the same to those articles and many others." Basically, my point is between all of the books and the TV show, these characters are notable, and while the page does need cleanup, so do so many character list articles. JDDJS (talk) 01:41, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Lists of not-individually-notable fictional elements that appear in multiple notable works is an ideal use of list of non-notable elements. BUT, per the above the article meets the GNG anyways. Jclemens (talk) 01:55, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CSC #2 ("Every entry in the list fails the notability criteria. These lists are created explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles"). VMS Mosaic (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Like I stated in the previous AfD, the article can certainly be fixed up, especially with actor and/or creator commentary in relation to the television version of the characters. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep on the assumption that cleanup is possible and will occur, if that turns out not to be the case we should reconsider. Artw (talk) 05:17, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per my previous nomination: Per WP:NOTPLOT, a policy, articles must not contain only plot summary. This cruft here is nothing but plot summary. In addition, it's unsourced (WP:V), and I would be very surprised if the topic of the characters in this novel series, as a group, had received the kind of coverage required per WP:GNG. (The sources mentioned above are not enough; they cover some characters in passing, but are about the show, which is notable, rather than about its characters, which are not.) This type of article often devolves into a dumping ground for fancruft better suited for fan wikis. That this has happened here is apparent from the fact that it is written in an in-universe style, portraying the fiction as real, contrary to our manual of style (Real world). It would need a complete rewrite to be anywhere near MOS-compliant, and is therefore a WP:TNT candidate even if one were to be of the view that a list of this sort has a place here, which I do not. In Wikipedia, significant characters are generally better treated as part of the (appropriately concise) plot summaries in the context of the articles about the respective works.  Sandstein   11:11, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per longstanding precedent that character lists for significant fiction series/franchises are acceptable. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  19:11, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.