Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Tori Amos B-sides


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge into Tori Amos discography. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

List of Tori Amos B-sides

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Non-notable B-sides. All information is forked from respective singles. Fancruft. Please see the AfDs for Garbage B-sides and List of Coldplay's b-sides. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 17:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.   -- Tenacious D Fan (talk) 17:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Strongly oppose: A very informative article, one that took a lot of work and time to put together. There's nothing particularly wrong with this article in my opinion except that it's unsourced, but honestly, there is nothing inaccurate about any of the information there. A far cry from fancruft if I ever saw one. Samuel Grant (talk) 23:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:EFFORT is an argument to avoid. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 08:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Speaking of arguments, how about you elaborate a little bit on why this is such a glaring example of content that shouldn't be on Wikipedia, as I'm hardly seeing your viewpoint. Samuel Grant (talk) 22:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not a "glaring" example, but, per WP:HARMLESS, not being "glaring" does not have anything to do with notability and content forking. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 21:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose or Merge: I agree with Samuel Grant that the article is informative and doesn't merit complete deletion. If the subject's notability doesn't merit a separate article, perhaps merging the B-sides list into the discography page as a hidden section is a solution (see my sandbox). Amos is noted for having an extensive catalogue of B-sides and this list on Wikipedia is the only such list I'm aware of. At the very least, they are relevant enough to include on the discography page, the inclusion of which would do no harm.--Pisceandreams (talk) 02:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

B-sides are discouraged on discography articles, and WP:NOHARM is an argument to avoid. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 11:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Are B-sides discouraged for artists who have 100+ of such titles? I can understand deleting a list of an artist who has a handful, but honestly, this is a very well-put together article on an extensive topic whose only problem is being unsourced. I really don't find simply rebutting arguments with links to guidelines all that productive, either. Guidelines are flexible. The question we should be asking is: is this article of sufficient quality and does it provide information that is warranted of inclusion? I have a hard time understanding your claim of "fancruft." There is nothing that isn't informative to all sorts of people, not just fans, and nothing reeking of fanboyism; in fact, it's the opposite of such, providing verifiable facts that often can't easily be found. If you ask me it would be a real shame to see this list go, and another display of silly bureaucracy and hyper-pedantic-ness that is unfortunately so rampant on this site. Samuel Grant (talk) 18:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose or Merge: I continue to stand by this, as well as continue to agree with Samuel Grant. I fail to see the need to delete this information, particularly because a section for B-sides is featured in the Wikipedia's Discography Template, in addition to the fact that not only does the discography article for Depeche Mode include a B-sides section, the article has featured list status. Like Samuel Grant said, the article may be in need of improvement, or may be in need of merging, but it does not warrant complete deletion. --Pisceandreams (talk) 19:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The Alice in Chains discography is another example of a discography page that includes B-sides AND has featured list status. If this separate B-sides article must be deleted, then the B-sides should be merged into the artist's discography page, as is the case with other artists.--Pisceandreams (talk) 12:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the work you're doing, Tenacious D Fan, trying to improve the quality of Wikipedia discographies (and although I'm not an official member of the Discography WikiProject I work toward the same goal as you), but I'm a bit confused as to what to believe with regard to the B-sides issue. On the WikiProject Discographies/style page, it states: "What should not be included: Tracklistings, B-sides, or any other description of the tracks on a release." However, as pointed out before, Wikipedia's Discography Template designates a sub-section for B-sides and a handful of artists' discographies (Alice in Chains, Depeche Mode, Hillary Duff, James Blunt, etc) include B-sides listings and those articles have featured list status. Are there others who can weigh-in on this issue?--Pisceandreams (talk) 00:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   -- Tenacious D Fan (talk) 20:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash;Sean Whitton / 14:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Cite or merge - It may be a well-constructed list, but unless someone puts references in it, I suggest merging the B-sides into the various album articles or the discography article. Black-Velvet  14:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge - I suggest merging the B-sides list into the Tori Amos discography article, in a manner such as that found in my sandbox. As a stand-alone list of B-sides, I'm not sure I understand what there is to reference. (?) --Pisceandreams (talk) 16:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable list. J I P  | Talk 17:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, or failing that Merge; but this information should be kept if at all possible. Lists of B-sides are valid content especially for artists, such as this one, notable for many such. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 23:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Whereas I would normally oppose such sprawling lists, for a musician KNOWN for her B-sides, such a list is warranted. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 00:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.