Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Turkic scholars


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎ __EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. ✗ plicit  23:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

List of Turkic scholars

 * – ( View AfD View log | edits since nomination)

WP:CROSSCAT & WP:UNSOURCED for over 11 years. Judging by its title, its original opening sentence and its current categories, this list tries to be multiple things at once, and by lumping lots of different things together, it fails at all of them:
 * Title: Turkic scholars (probably scholars who just so happen to speak a native language belonging to the Turkic languages family, ergo: language family + occupation)
 * Original opening sentence: ...Central Asian scientists and engineers that lived from antiquity up until the beginning of the modern age. (geographical region + occupation + period)
 * Category:Scientists of the medieval Islamic world (occupation + period + religion)
 * Category:Lists of scientists by nationality (occupation + nationality)
 * Category:Lists of people by ethnicity (unspecified people + ethnicity)
 * Category:Scholars by ethnicity (occupation + ethnicity)
 * Category:Turkic people (unspecified people + language family)
 * Category:Medieval scholars (period + occupation)
 * Note that in modern English, "Turkic scholars" usually refers to Category:Turkologists, i.e. scholars of Turkology / Turkic studies (ergo, occupation + field of study), not scholars who just so happen to speak a native language belonging to the Turkic languages family, which is what the title of this list appeared to be aiming for.
 * A series of recent CfDs including "Category:Turkic rulers" recently confirmed per WP:OCEGRS that people should only be categorized by ethnicity or religion if this has significant bearing on their career.
 * The precedents have also established that a person having a native language that belongs to a certain language family is WP:NONDEFINING for that person's career. Even Turkologists don't need to have a Turkic language as their native language in order to be able to carry our their profession.
 * There is no reason to presume all so-called "Turkic scholars" were Central Asian and Muslim, and "Turkic" is not a "nationality".
 * Therefore, except for arbitary cross-categorisation without any RS to back it up, this list has no discernable legitimate purpose, and probably also cannot be given one. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:51, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:09, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Asia,  and Europe. North America1000 15:19, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, with WP:TNT. I was surprised to see this nomination, but that's because I assumed the list was about Turkologists. As nom points out, this list is related to several lists that could be useful, but this list as it stands is not. -- asilvering (talk) 17:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Exactly, which is why I made the effort to point out it's not about Turkologists, but a mess lumping lots of unrelated things together. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. A list of Turkologists could be appropriate, but that's not what this is. There are far too many notable scholars who speak Turkic languages to group them into a list, and no evidence even that people who published scholarship written in a Turkic language (a different thing) would be notable as a list topic. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:34, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:21, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete (sadly). There's no viable way to qualify this list to narrow it down without the list being either WP:INDISCRIMINATE or extremely arbitrary. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 20:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep. Otherwise I would have tried. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.