Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of U.S. artisan cheese shops


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The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

List of U.S. artisan cheese shops

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a list that amounts to a directory. also, while the two may be mixed, this is 2 different mags chosen lists, thus a copyright violation. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:35, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. At least 3 of these shops (Zingerman's, Cowgirl Creamery, Beecher's Handmade Cheese) are notable and already have articles, so in theory this could be converted into a list of bluelinked notable artisan cheesemakers. (Other potential candidates are at Category:Cheesemakers.) I'm not sure if this is worth the trouble, however.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 05:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * That's worth considering but it should be noted that of the examples given, only one started as a "shop" (Zingerman's) and is still known as a "shop" (in the broad sense). The others are producers or "cheese makers" that happen to have retail shops as an outlet for distribution direct to the public. They are "artisan cheese makers" perhaps, but "artisan cheese shops" isn't really accurate anyway. Perhaps an article along the lines of Artisan cheese-making in the United States or something. But this list is fairly pointless.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 05:38, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per my comments above.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 05:38, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:LISTN explicitly requires that we show that external publications have constructed similar lists. The sources provided demonstrate the notability of the concept and, as there is no special selection or ranking, there's no copyright problem.  The list is not a directory because it does not contain commercial or contact information such as prices or phone numbers. For a further example of a source which demonstrates the notability of the topic, see American Cheeses: The Best Regional, Artisan, and Farmhouse Cheeses, Who Makes Them, and Where to Find Them. Andrew (talk) 16:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Andrew, I think that might be a reasonable argument for a List of U.S. artisan cheese makers but, as above, most of those listed aren't "shops" or only have "shops" as an addendum to cheese-making operations.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 00:30, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment policy on "not a directory" doesnt require that we provide contact info. we just cant list items which are not individually notable, as shown by references. the whole list has only 2 refs. each item should have a ref showing at least some local notability. Stalwart says it best: pointless list.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 00:25, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with St ★ lwart 1 1 1 that an article on artisan cheesemakers in the US would be grand, but a list of names isn't terribly useful. LaMona (talk) 00:26, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * delete as per stalwart. Not all are shops, and the fact almost all listed are non notable gives little confidence of this list being a notable topic. LibStar (talk) 14:12, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
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