Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of US national Golden Gloves super heavyweight champions


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Cerejota (talk) 02:44, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

List of US national Golden Gloves super heavyweight champions

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This is one of ten articles with title of the form "List of US national Golden Gloves (weight) champions". None has ever been referenced and all have been flagged as unreferenced for over a year. Without references there is no check on their accuracy, and unless references are supplied the articles should be scrapped. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 12:49, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep A quick review of several of the listed fighters does show that the article appears correct and noteworthy. I have added a link to the official Golden Gloves website to the article for source verification purposes. The article will still need further attention regarding (WP:VERIFY) .--User:Warrior777 (talk) 20:23, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that does help. However, this was only one of a dozen similar lists, as can be seen here, so they all need similar attention. I question whether they are all worth while, since they are all just sublists drawn from List of US national Golden Gloves champions. Some of the others (though not this one, as it happens), have a very large proportion of redlinks and a quite a lot of wrong links. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 22:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep for now, with a view toward merging it and the others in the next few days (see below). If the resulting improvement is deemed to be insufficient, the matter of deletion can be revisited at that time. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I see at least four issues that need to be addressed: naming, organization, sourcing and presentation.
 * Naming. The lists should refer to the event by its official name – National Golden Gloves – rather than what appears to be a made-up descriptive name.
 * Organization. The way in which information about National Golden Glove champions is organized is sub-optimal. There are 13 lists (the chronological one and twelve lists by weight class), when really there is a need for only two: List of National Golden Gloves champions by year and List of National Golden Gloves champions by weight class.
 * Sourcing. The lack of references is a serious problem, but it does not appear to be one that cannot be corrected.
 * Presentation. Placing the information into formatted tables would significantly improve the appearance of the lists and their ease-of-use.
 * I will work on a sandbox draft today and tomorrow and, if there are no objections, move it into the mainspace and redirect the weight-class lists. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.