Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of US states by minimum wage


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. While there is a lot of duplicated content between this page and Minimum wage in the United States, there is some small amount of content on this page that is unique, like the minimum wage in past years. And, while there is substantial support to turn this into a redirect, I don't think it's quite strong enough to form a consensus. I'd recommend that the maintainers of this list article find more ways to differentiate it from the minimum wage article and fill it with relevant data that doesn't already appear in that article.  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 16:05, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

List of US states by minimum wage

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All information on this page is already included in Minimum wage in the United States. Numberguy6 (talk) 23:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Oh please. The need for notable list articles is a long settled issue. The topic of US state minimum wages is a notable topic. See:
 * Notability
 * Lists of U.S. state topics
 * List of lists of lists
 * Category:Lists of lists
 * Contents/Lists
 * Minimum wage in the United States is a massive comprehensive article, not a list article.
 * --Timeshifter (talk) 08:05, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Certainly it's a list article (though not exclusively). See Minimum wage in the United States. TompaDompa (talk) 08:50, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a massive prose article with some lists too. --Timeshifter (talk) 10:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Minimum wage in the United States per nom and WP:CFORK. Ajf773 (talk) 10:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Content forking actually recommends spin-off articles as the main article grows. "This is acceptable, and often encouraged, as a way of making articles clearer and easier to manage." --Timeshifter (talk) 13:55, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Minimum wage in the United States, especially since Wikipedia is not supposed to take a presentist view. That way we can have text not just on the current minimum wage, but changes over time, also mention states that have mechinisms to increse the minimum wage (here in Michigan where I live there are built in adjustments up that do not require legisltive intervention), also we can cover cities/counties that have higher rates than the state they are in. No reason for a seperate list.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The list article has some of the changes over time. But I see your point. The solution is to move the rest of the tables from the main article (see: Minimum wage in the United States) and put them below the existing table in the list article. I support that. That way you have a summary table followed by more detailed tables. I don't tend to help with updating tables buried in prose articles. That is because they are more difficult to maintain due to all the prose edits mixed in too. It burdens my watchlist. Tables in list articles are often more up to date for this reason.--Timeshifter (talk) 14:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States and Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States have the same information this article has, and its better suited there with the rest of the relevant information. I see no benefit in splitting it off to a separate page.   D r e a m Focus  23:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * See my reply to John Pack Lambert. All the lists can be moved to the list article page. In fact, the prose article is way too long, and parts should be spun off according to these pages:
 * Article size
 * Summary style
 * Information for "Minimum wage in the United States"
 * --Timeshifter (talk) 00:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment. You don't see people trying to move List of countries by minimum wage into the prose article Minimum Wage. Even though there are sections in the prose article with additional info on countries. That's because the prose article is already long. As is the list article. They shouldn't be combined. --Timeshifter (talk) 00:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy redirect Baffled why this was created when the main article's right there with this info. I see no need for a separate article just for the table and map, but reorganization of the main page may be appropriate. Reywas92Talk 02:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A lot of people prefer a list article when all they want is quicker access to the data. Versus a TL;DR long prose article with the lists buried within. See previous replies as to why Wikipedia recommends this. The rest of the tables need to be moved to the list article. TL;DR is short for "too long; didn't read". --Timeshifter (talk) 02:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Notice left at Talk:Minimum wage in the United States. I think this AFD should be extended long enough to get more opinions from actual editors of either the list or prose articles. So far, it seems that mainly only deletionists have commented. No one other than me seems to actually be reading or replying to the actual Wikipedia guidelines and policies I have posted. The editors at the prose article might consider moving the rest of the tables to the list article. That would solve all the problems mentioned so far by commenters wanting all the detailed list data to be together. --Timeshifter (talk) 03:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. Per Mirza, the main article ain't broke. Don't try to fix it by making the main article worse and forcing readers to see the data on a separate page. It's not "quicker access to the data" if it's not on the primary page, it's slower access! Reywas92Talk 14:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Mirza was talking about the list article not being broke. Mirza is an editor of the list article (under Avman89 in the article history). And if you go to Talk:Minimum wage in the United States you will see an example of someone who got lost in that huge prose article. From Article size: "A page of about 10,000 words takes between 30 and 40 minutes to read at average speed, which is close to the attention span of most readers.[1] Understanding of standard texts at average reading speed is around 65%. At 10,000 words (50 kB and above) it may be beneficial to move some sections to other articles and replace them with summaries per Summary style – see Size guideline (rule of thumb) below." See more links there. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect Whole content already exists at Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States. Rustam Fan (talk) 03:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep No reason needed. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.Mirza Ahmed (talk) 12:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That makes no sense. Rustam Fan (talk) 13:43, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Mirza Ahmed is an editor of the list article (Avman89 in the edit history). And Mirza Ahmed is correct, there is nothing wrong with what is currently in the list article. The list article just needs the rest of the tables moved to it. --Timeshifter (talk) 13:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article is long, the list is long and the list entries meet the WP:CSC#2 criterion, so there is no policy reason not to have a list article.  The solution to the redirectors concerns is to move the lists to the list article instead of combining all into one unwieldy whole.  Regarding User:Johnpacklambert's concerns, WP:MOSLIST states that stand-alone lists "may include additional information about the listed items" and WP:SALLEAD expounds on this.  For examples of lists with extensive prose sections and/or extensive prose within the list, see John Neal bibliography and List of countries by Human Development Index.  —  AjaxSmack  02:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect, the subject is notable but covering it here is a duplication. It is already covered quite well Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States. Lightburst (talk) 00:54, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I was going to recommend a redirect but it looks like this article is more up-to-date than information on Minimum wage in the United States, seen by just checking a few random states. I'd advocate having this information on the page where it is most likely to be maintained and kept current. I realize that this isn't the purpose of an encyclopedia but readers come to Wikipedia seeking all types of information and if we are going to have this data available, let's keep it current. Liz Read! Talk! 00:31, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - As pointed out above, there's a lot of duplicated info on both pages, including a US map, and a long list showing the states with some overlapping content. I think it's easier to maintain if we put the long tables and map on a single forked list page. Info from the other table should be merged here. Columns can be narrowed to fit in more data if the interior table notes are moved below the table as footnotes. The challenge (besides the merge) will be improving navigation so readers of the other article can easily find the info here. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  23:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.